Ray Zee made me do it
 

I read a thread on the high limit forum that had some Ray Zee comments that motivated me. So, instead of drinking raw eggs and jogging I did something I never do, I shoved my whole stack in the middle and put the other guy to a decision. He made it suprisingly quickly.


$200 NL Hold'em 6 max

Hero has 152.6 in the SB. Villain has $98.9 on the button. Up to this point he's done nothing special but seems to be trending toward the simian end of the spectrum.

I get Ad Qd. Villain raises to $4 and I call.

Flop is Kd Qc 5d.

I bet $9. Villain is trite. He min raises.

I push. He calls. As I said, it was quick. Results in white.

<font color="white">Turn 2s and river is the 8h. Brick, brick. Villain shows Kc Tc to break the hero's heart.</font>

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Short stacks and tilters are usually that way for a reason.

~DoomSlice's words of flawed wisdom~

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The play is alright. I hope these 200NL guys are not all auto-callers on that crap of a hand though.

cards %win
Ad Qd 50.51
Kc Tc 49.49

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cards %win
Ad Qd 50.51
Kc Tc 49.49

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You beat me to it. When I saw his cards I was glad I got a call. Fold equity anyone?

I've made the move to full ring $400 NL, but this was my first session at $200 6max. I shan't go back.

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That was one hell of a read by the villain. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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That was one hell of a read by the villain. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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lol

It's a REALLY boring hand. I was ahead and I had some fold equity. Just trying to figure out those spots where it's right to just shove your stack in. It's No Limit, dammit!

Here's the relevant thread Wisdom of Ray Zee

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That was one hell of a read by the villain. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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lol

It's a REALLY boring hand. I was ahead and thought I had some fold equity. Just trying to figure out those spots where it's right to just shove your stack in. It's No Limit, dammit!

Here's the relevant thread Wisdom of Ray Zee

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FYP. But really against most people you should have had some fold equity here. Villian made a pretty bad call. Unless you knew he was a total calling station the hand looks good.

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I don't like either players hand. Pushing a huge stack with such a 1% advantage doesn't seem so good to me.

(I know I have the advantage of knowing what both players had... but after the minraise, there's quite a few hands the villain could have to indicate that if you're ahead, its not by much.)

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I don't like either players hand. Pushing a huge stack with such a 1% advantage doesn't seem so good to me.

(I know I have the advantage of knowing what both players had... but after the minraise, there's quite a few hands the villain could have to indicate that if you're ahead, its not by much.)

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I like it. It's called fold equity.

Re: Ray Zee made me do it
 

I don't think there's any other way to play it (as) profitably.

You'll have 48-52% equity against a wide range of villain's possible holdings, but it's essential that you see the turn and the river. If you call and miss, your equity dips below half on the turn and you could be priced out. If you hit, you have to worry about getting paid.

Pushing the flop neatly solves both problems and gets your money in as a favorite, or near favorite. And don't forget to factor in the times he'll fold the favored hand.

I play it this way 100% of the time.