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derick 12-01-2005 11:43 AM

3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size control?
 
Hello my 2+2 mentors,

Have you ever felt like you dropped into a pleasure palace?


About once every 2 months a good game of *really* stupid players shows up.
When you're playing in that game you can expect 15bb/100 easy.
This is the story of how I found myself in such a game and screwed it up.

I feel I screwed this hand up.

I really need a leson in pot size control.

What do you do with 4 cold calls?


$3/$6 Blinds No Limit Hold'em -

Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9

First hand online.

The numbers after the stack sizes are the VP$IP / PFR

Seat 1: UTG ( 34/19 )( $83.25 )
Seat 2: utg+1 (59/8.1) ( $134.15 )
Seat 3: UTG+2 (57/9.2) ( $233.8 )
Seat 4: UTG+3 (60/5.8) ( $699.8 )
Seat 5: MP1 (27/5.4) ( $1117.1 )
Seat 6: MP2 (54/5.4) ( $1330.5 )
Seat 7: button ( $620 ) 32/10
Seat 8: small blind ( $256 ) 62/5
Seat 9: Hero (18/9)( $600 ) Usually I buy in short but everyone here tells me to buy in full.
small blind posts small blind [$3].
Hero posts big blind [$6].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kd Ad ]
UTG (34/19) raises [$18].
utg+1 (59/8.1) calls [$18].
UTG+2 (57/9.2) calls [$18].
UTG+3 (60/5.8) calls [$18].
MP1 (27/5.4) folds.
MP2 (54/5.4) calls [$18].
button folds.
small blind folds.
Hero raises [$70]. // Should I have raised more here?? 4 Cold calls!!! What do you think about raising to $120???


UTG 34/19 folds.
utg+1 (59/8.1) calls [$58].
UTG+2 (57/9.2) calls [$58].
UTG+3 (60/5.8) folds.
MP2 (54/5.4) folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 10h, Ac ]
Hero bets [$280]. // Now I'm screwed i can't offer them bad pot odds.
utg+1 (59/8.1) calls [$58.15].
UTG+2 (57/9.2) calls [$157.8].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2h ]
** Summary **
Hero shows [ Kd Ad ].

What do you guys think?

creedofhubris 12-01-2005 12:25 PM

Re: 3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size contro
 
There's no rule that says you have to reraise AK from the blinds.

AZK 12-01-2005 12:27 PM

Re: 3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size contro
 
raise more pre.

derick 12-01-2005 04:52 PM

Re: 3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size contro
 
[ QUOTE ]
There's no rule that says you have to reraise AK from the blinds.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hi creeed,

So you would check AKs from the bb?????

derick 12-01-2005 04:54 PM

Re: 3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size contro
 
[ QUOTE ]
raise more pre.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hi AZK,


How about raise to $120? That would put one of the callers all in.

derick

12-01-2005 05:02 PM

Re: 3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size control?
 
was this a W?

beset7 12-01-2005 05:08 PM

Re: 3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size contro
 
If you are gonna reraise preflop you gotta boom it. Atleast the pot size.

derick 12-01-2005 05:18 PM

Re: 3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size contro
 
[ QUOTE ]
was this a W?

[/ QUOTE ]

You mean W as in GWB?



To be honest,

I don't know what to do. 3bb raise and 4 cold calls.

I'm sure there are lots of donk dead money bets in there, just look at the vp$ip/pfr of the callers. So if I'm ahead I want to punish the loose callers.

But I don't know if I'm behind or not.

If I reraise to $120 I guess it pot comits most of them. But then I throw up if the big stack pushes.

emil3000 12-01-2005 06:10 PM

Re: 3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size contro
 
Hi Derick. Reraising preflop was the right move in this hand, the pot is big already, and a lot of players are in the pot with weak hands. You need to reraise it more though, unless you want to start the calling wave that occured here. Make it 120 or more. Then you have a totally different situation if there is a flop, if you have one or two opponents I would consider checking. They're so lag they are likely to make a stab with a hand not even they would call with. And I doubt any of them are capable of getting away from an ace they got there with.

emil3000 12-01-2005 06:13 PM

Re: 3/6 4 Cold calls! Land of 1000 Virgins! I screw up pot size contro
 
[ QUOTE ]
If I reraise to $120 I guess it pot comits most of them. But then I throw up if the big stack pushes.

[/ QUOTE ]

In my opinion you have an easy call if big stack pushes. You may not be ahead but you have the pot odds easily since he will very rarely have AA or KK.


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