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gol4pro 07-01-2005 12:37 PM

2 situations
 
I'm still getting used to a deep stack, and I find that I'm a bit hesitant to contest large pots with only moderately strong hands when I'm new to the table. Is this normal?

Hand 1:
Hero is dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on button
-- UTG opens 2xBB, 2 calls, hero raises to 9xBB, UTG calls, others fold.

Flop Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot 21)
-- UTG Donkbets 10$, hero calls

Turn K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
-- UTG bets 21$, Hero calls

River 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
-- UTG checks, hero checks

-- Did I play this too passively? Without a note on the guy, I didn't want to go crazy with just TPTK. Value bet the river? I thought he had KJ/KQ.

Situation 2
-- UTG limps, Hero raises from mp to 5xBB with J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], BB raises to 11xBB, hero calls

Flop 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img](pot 22)
-- BB bets 10$, hero folds.

-- I think I should have called that bet, because it really did look like AK. But at the same time, I had a weak overpair against an unknown in a pot that would likely grow very large on later streets. Was folding weak-tight?

amoeba 07-01-2005 01:04 PM

Re: 2 situations
 
I think both hands are fine.

calling in hand 2 is also ok if you are somewhat deep but generally people don't reraise a sizable reraise preflop without a premium pair.

BZ_Zorro 07-01-2005 01:47 PM

Re: 2 situations
 
Don't like hand 1.

PF is too big. Try 5.
Flop, you're calling with A high and a gutshot. Likely he's paired something, so you're drawing to 7 outs (at best), and you don't know which are good. The turn play shows why. Calling the flop is bad. Rather raise than call, easy fold though imo.

Hand 2: Probably OK. I don't raise that much with JJ pf for this reason.

amoeba 07-01-2005 02:57 PM

Re: 2 situations
 
when somebody minraises, you reraise to 5xBB?

BZ_Zorro 07-01-2005 03:09 PM

Re: 2 situations
 
When I have AKo I do. 9BB is a bit excessive unless the guy's a lag or bad CS.

bizaff 07-01-2005 06:22 PM

Re: 2 situations
 
Do you reraise other hands to 5BB?

coffeecrazy1 07-01-2005 06:25 PM

Re: 2 situations
 
Jeez...I try to make my pf raises 3 or 4 BB...and that drives lots of folks out, anyway.

Slappz 07-01-2005 06:39 PM

Re: 2 situations
 
I would prolly call the bet in hand 2, his bet looks suspicious. If he comes betting hard on the turn (which most overpairs would) then u can easily lay it down, but you might b surprised at how many times its a stab. You do have an overpair to the board, dont let him off so easily.

bizaff 07-01-2005 06:39 PM

Re: 2 situations
 
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Do you reraise other hands to 5BB?

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Jeez...I try to make my pf raises 3 or 4 BB...and that drives lots of folks out, anyway.

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My question was after a min-raiser, when choosing to reraise, does he reraise hands other than AKo to 5BB?

pokernicus 07-01-2005 06:58 PM

Re: 2 situations
 
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When I have AKo I do. 9BB is a bit excessive unless the guy's a lag or bad CS.

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Betting 5BBs in this situation seems too small. One goal of raising is to drive out the riff-raff. I can't imagine that the original min-raiser and two cold-callers would fold for three more bets in this situation. So, a 5BB bet doesn't seem to accomplish much. While I think 9BBs might be excessive if you're opening the pot, it's not high if there are already people in the pot when it gets to you.

With big slick, two-thirds of the time you miss the flop and only have Ace high. If there are already 7.5 bets before the betting gets to me, I'm happy to take down the pot right there with a sufficiently large bet without seeing a flop. That's a nice score for AK.


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