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Atropos 05-22-2005 06:02 AM

Is this tilt?
 
I was running so bad that I wanted to change my game, becaue it seemed I would always bubble out. Now after going about the hand histories I seem some seemingly very bad weak folds:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (5 handed) converter

UTG (t1191)
MP (t2639)
Button (t1480)
Hero (t2185)
BB (t505)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t450

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (3 handed) converter

SB (t4035)
BB (t1480)
Hero (t2485)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t4035 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t4935

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (3 handed) converter

SB (t4535)
BB (t1580)
Hero (t1885)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1400</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Final Pot: t1800

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t500 (3 handed) converter

SB (t3805)
BB (t1160)
Hero (t3035)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t750

Heads-up it got really bad:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t500 (2 handed) converter

BB (t2555)
Hero (t5445)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Final Pot: t750

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (2 handed) converter

BB (t5155)
Hero (t2845)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Final Pot: t900

So I know that pushing these hands is +EV with a high probability. Do you push all these?

DasLeben 05-22-2005 06:31 AM

Re: Is this tilt?
 
Hand 1: Nooooo. Any two. Write that on your monitor with a sharpie. You push any two here, and it's not even close.

Hand 2: If you're going to play this (which you should), just push preflop.

Hand 3: Biiiiig push.

Hand 4: Poooooosh.

Hand 5: Poooosh mal zwei.

Hand 6: And again...

Atropos 05-22-2005 06:34 AM

Re: Is this tilt?
 
I know that eastbays tool says these are all pushes [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] However when railbirding the 1000 steps I often say players fold their SB, even though they have a low stack and should push any two. Is it really correct to push whenever it's +EV?

DasLeben 05-22-2005 06:42 AM

Re: Is this tilt?
 
Well, the way I think about it is that you should take every +EV opportunity, unless you're passing up a marginally profitable move in order to take a bigger one later. In the world of Party structure SNGs, I don't really put much emphasis on that (considering the fast blinds). If I have an edge, I take it.

Oh, and folding your SB too much is a huge leak. Taking advantage of the BB is essential. Also, training the SB to fold to you when you're in the BB is essential too. I almost feel sorry for the person to the immediate right and the two seats immediately to my left in an SNG. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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