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Karak567 12-30-2005 12:46 AM

I can\'t get away from top set here can I?
 
Villain is a loose, awful fish.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($209.35)
Hero ($212.80)
BB ($134)
UTG ($197)
MP ($127.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $11</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $8.

Flop: ($26) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25</font>, Button calls $25.

Turn: ($76) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Hero bets 76, villain min raises, hero pushes.

12-30-2005 12:53 AM

Re: I can\'t get away from top set here can I?
 
i think ur beat here most the time

reraise preflop a little more maybe 16 or something then bet pot on flop

if u dont think he has it just call the turn min reraise

only thing that calls ur alln is the flush

Gregg777 12-30-2005 01:00 AM

Re: I can\'t get away from top set here can I?
 
[ QUOTE ]
only thing that calls ur alln is the flush


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Anyone would call the allin because there isn't much left behind.

Other than re-raising more preflop, I don't know how else you would play it.

12-30-2005 01:05 AM

Re: I can\'t get away from top set here can I?
 




[/ QUOTE ]Anyone would call the allin because there isn't much left behind.

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this is true im used to 400

guess u have 2 push on the end after the reraise

FlyingStart 12-30-2005 01:16 AM

Re: I can\'t get away from top set here can I?
 
Is checkcalling the turn awfull here? (you will then give him the oppurtunity to represent a flush while maintaining potsize. If his bets are not too big you can get a showdown too) I'm really not sure.. If the pot was smaller I would definetely bet since it would then be more room to boat up if his betting/calling suggested that he has a flush, and you could stack him if you got there and get away if you didn't.

What about betting 40-50 instead? This should leave a little more room (I do realize villain is a calling fish and that you want to max value)

Flame away~

12-30-2005 01:27 AM

Re: I can\'t get away from top set here can I?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Is checkcalling the turn awfull here?

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if he dont bet and a dia comes on the river i'm sick

FreakDaddy 12-30-2005 03:13 AM

Re: I can\'t get away from top set here can I?
 
If he TRULY is a fish(meaning typically very passive), then I fold to the mini-raise. In my experience I've found I'm usually beat in these spots more often than not. If others disagree, I'd love to hear it. I just don't see a fish mini-raising something like AdQx here. The ONLY probable hand that he may donk raise this is QQ. AA seems unlikely, as most fish re-raise here. I think it's much more probable that you see something fishy like AdTd, AdJd etc... just my two cents.

scdavis0 12-30-2005 03:15 AM

Re: I can\'t get away from top set here can I?
 
WTF for real?

you are getting better than 3 to 1 to call the min-raise

FreakDaddy 12-30-2005 03:23 AM

Re: I can\'t get away from top set here can I?
 
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WTF for real?

you are getting better than 3 to 1 to call the min-raise

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It's my opinion that sometimes it's better to deviate from the odds when it becomes abudently obvious you're beat. Like I said, if you've found you're ahead more than 25% of the time here I'd like to hear it. Perhaps I've just ran really bad in these spots over the last couple of years, but I've found against TRULY passive fish, I'm beat here more than 75% of the time.

If you are someone who only plays the odds, you are absolutely correct, at least a call is in order.

BobboFitos 12-30-2005 03:27 AM

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