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11-25-2005 01:15 AM

2-4 KQ
 
Villian is 18/7/0 over 45 hands

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Spartan1983 11-25-2005 02:22 AM

Re: 2-4 KQ
 
Raise preflop. The rest is ok.

soweak. 11-25-2005 02:45 AM

Re: 2-4 KQ
 
Raise or fold pre-flop. Raise or fold the turn as well.

HajiShirazu 11-25-2005 03:32 AM

Re: 2-4 KQ
 
I always raise preflop but whatever. Lately I have been sucking when I get KQ out of position against some cold caller who never folds until the river. It's not as great as it seems.
Weird hand.
My read is that he either flopped the nuts or has a pocket underpair and was going to check-fold the flop, but then changed his mind. I like just calling down and not letting him get away from his worse hands while losing less if he has me beat. Well, actually, you don't lose less if you raise/fold to 3 bet on turn but you do lose your few outs if he 3 bets you with AK or AA.

11-25-2005 08:11 AM

Re: 2-4 KQ
 
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Raise preflop. The rest is ok.

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11-25-2005 11:34 AM

Re: 2-4 KQ
 
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Raise or fold the turn as well.

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It surprised me that she would raise preflop, check/call flop, and then donk the turn. For some reason this screamed JACK to me.

McGahee 11-25-2005 11:40 AM

Re: 2-4 KQ
 
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Raise or fold pre-flop. Raise or fold the turn as well.

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A call is better than a fold both PF and on the turn.

11-25-2005 11:59 AM

Re: 2-4 KQ
 
I recall SSHE saying the difference between raising and calling KQo in early position is minor, i usually mix it up depending on the aggression at the table. Paying 3 bets to see a flop with an offsuit would kinda suck so the PF call is ok. I would raise the flop and think about folding if 3 bet or if SB led the turn. But what do I know.....

11-25-2005 12:39 PM

Re: 2-4 KQ
 
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I recall SSHE saying the difference between raising and calling KQo in early position is minor, i usually mix it up depending on the aggression at the table. Paying 3 bets to see a flop with an offsuit would kinda suck so the PF call is ok. I would raise the flop and think about folding if 3 bet or if SB led the turn. But what do I know.....

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I don't always raise KQ in early position, although I often do. This was one of those times where I didn't. As for raising the flop, I was the one who bet it.

Queens University....?

soweak. 11-25-2005 01:57 PM

Re: 2-4 KQ
 
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A call is better than a fold both PF and on the turn.

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Calling pre-flop is going to result in a post flop nightmare. oftentimes we're out of position with a hand that does not play well multiway. I'd rather thin the field pre-flop then take the chance nobody else will limp behind me. you can also play less guessing games on later streets depending on how the SB acts to your EP raise.

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It surprised me that she would raise preflop, check/call flop, and then donk the turn. For some reason this screamed JACK to me


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If her turn bet screams jack then why did you call down? At that point you're drawing to two outs and getting 4.5:1. What are you expecting to hit on the river if you think your opponent has a jack? Also if youthink your opponent is overly aggressive and may not have a jack then you most likely have the best hand. You opponent could donk QT or K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or KX [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or even X [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Y [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

This is a good example of WA/WB.


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