Flopped nut flush, in position, being bet into... line?
 

You post in LP and get A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Only the BB and an early limper and you go to the flop.

Flop is

T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB bets, limper calls, hero .... ??

The question is between raising and calling obviously.

If you call the BB might bet out again and limper comes along, then you bump it up.

Or you can raise now and probably get 2 more SB into the pot immediately, but alert them to the flush...

thoughts?

Re: Flopped nut flush, in position, being bet into... line?
 

Very read dependant. What are the stats on these guys?

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First hand at the table, thus the posting in LP, no stats at all.

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Raise now. If BB flopped a flush, you can go to war while limper is trapped. If another club falls, it will kill your action. Just take their money now.

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Re: Flopped nut flush, in position, being bet into... line?
 

Fastplay is still the new slowplay. I raise.

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Fastplay is still the new slowplay. I raise.

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Am I smelling a bad beat post? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Raise it. You would be raising with just the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] as well so it isn't like your hand is playing face up.

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I would think they would be very wary of the new guy at the table and treat your show of strength as a show of strength.

Since BB led at the pot, and he's new to you, there's reason to believe he'll lead at the turn (unless there's another club). I smooth call this and bet/raise the turn.

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I raise. If three bet, then you can smooth call.

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Nope no bad beat here, I called the flop bet, and as desired BB led out again, limper called, then I popped it up, both called.

Got another bet out of the limper the river.

It worked out THAT particular time, but I was hesitant in my initial flop call and was wondering what should be my future "standard" play in this somewhat rare situation IE very strong hand on the flop, in position, being bet into with callers in between.

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I would have played it the same as you.

One question- what situation (i.e. reads) would you need to raise that flop?

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One question- what situation (i.e. reads) would you need to raise that flop?

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it would have to be a person, with VPIP between 0-100, and pfr between 0-100. an AF of over 0 would be nice too. oh and only raise if they have TWO cards in front of them.

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I would have played it the same as you.

One question- what situation (i.e. reads) would you need to raise that flop?

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The situation I would need is this hand in the OP. I would raise this flop with the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or a K, so I don't think your opponents are going to figure out you have the flush when you raise the flop. I also don't think there is any guarantee that the BB bets again on the turn, or that the guy in the middle calls again. Also, a turn [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is really going to kill your action.

I would raise the flop, and if you get 3-bet start to get happy and "smoothcall" to raise the turn.

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it would have to be a person, with VPIP between 0-100, and pfr between 0-100. an AF of over 0 would be nice too. oh and only raise if they have TWO cards in front of them.

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I dont think this is an auto bet. OOP, I would bet this, because "fastplaying is the new slowplaying" (great line). Last to act though, I'm only raising here against fairly tight players.

Much of the value of betting with the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is to get others to fold because you know they dont have the nut flush. If someone has a weak flush, say 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], you may get them to fold by putting pressure on them with the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in your hand. Having flopped the nut flush however, you dont want to put that pressure on during the flop. You want them to think their hand is good, and for them to value bet into you.

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you went to the flop 3 handed, if anyone has 4c5c you are capping every street with them unless they are an absolute fish. you risk losing up to 3BB by slowplaying the flop.

also, you want to raise here a lot more against looser players as they are much more likely to pay you off. a tight player may find the fold button later on whereas a loose player will most likely call down to the river with KQo. (I know i would)

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Also, a decent player will recognize a "smoothcall" on the flop and a raise on the turn as a super-strong hand more than if you just raised the flop. Yay deception!

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I raise. If three bet, then you can smooth call.

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This is the line I like the most here. Smoothcalling and then raising the turn will raise suspicion, at least at me and I would fold unless I had a strong hand... Personally, I never slowplay, I want to get as much in there as possible and if they fold, they probably wouln't call a turn raise either.

Too bad you didn't post the stakes.