QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

my thoughts during this hand, if I raise, I'm OOP and if I check I'll be able to extract chips by disguising this hand. 2 limpers will not make it too dangerous to play this hand on the flop. I elect to check/call the flop. On the turn, I'm thinking a mini-raise may be good, and a block bet on the river regardless.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t985)
MP3 (t1060)
CO (t975)
Button (t600)
SB (t1390)
Hero (t1000)
UTG (t820)
UTG+1 (t985)
MP1 (t2185)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, [color=#666666]2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="red">4 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t52.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="red">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="red"> MP2 bets t55</font>, Hero calls t55, UTG folds.

Turn: (t162.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets t100</font>, Hero calls t100.

River: (t362.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="red">(2 players)</font>
Hero blocking/value bet?

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on the river when the scare card hits, it seems as though I've been drawing and hit so its unlikely i'll be re-raised.

Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

Dude, WTF are you doing? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

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Dude, WTF are you doing? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I don't know, I think I'm extracting some value here. are we talking about not raising PF?

I realise its the most draw heavy board possible.

Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

btw you don't have to change the post for me!

Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

Yeah, raise preflop, but in this situation bet 100 (value) on the river and call any raise.

Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

so hero bets 100 villain pushes all in and we call? i dont see hero being ahead at all if that happens on the river.

Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

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so hero bets 100 villain pushes all in and we call? i dont see hero being ahead at all if that happens on the river.

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I do, a vast majority of the time.

Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

well if we include the river bet that leaves hero with about 700 chips and if the villain pushes over he will leave hero severely crippled. the raise will be 600 + the 100 to call so with a pot of close to 600 hero is rougly getting 2:1 (i think). i am having a difficult time finding hero to be good here a third of the time.

if we had a solid read that the villain could be bluffing here then the call would be partly justified. it just doesn't seem like a call is profitable given the way hero played the hand. my standard line when i check big pairs or limp them is to check and call all streets if the bets are reasonable.

Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

Unarmed, where did your post go? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value
 

I would raise preflop to 60-80, U don't want someone with a 7-2 limping and hitting 2 pair. Then make pot size bet on flop, pot size the turn and check the river if he has called all the way you could be beat. I would not call an all in on the river, unless I had a read on the guy, but this early in the tourney probably not.