HU against baronzeus
 

Baronzeus and I are going at it. He has been opening with trash, I haven't been 3-betting with trash. I'm up at this point because I'm a much better player than baronzeus

Here's a hand.

I have J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button. (SB)

I open, baronzeus 3-bet, likely with trash, I call.


Flop Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

baronpoop bets, i call.



Turn 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

baronpoop bets, i raise



baron thinks my flop call is terrible. i think it's not.

EDIT: also, the SB is 2/3 of a small bet, if it matters.

Re: HU against baronzeus
 

you called the flop because you were going to raise any turn card right?

Re: HU against baronzeus
 

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you called the flop because you were going to raise any turn card right?

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that was my exact argument. theres no way this can be profitable if you are calling to improve.

Re: HU against baronzeus
 

cap preflop.

Re: HU against baronzeus
 

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you called the flop because you were going to raise any turn card right?

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for the sake of this argument, let's say i'm folding unless i pick up a pair, straight draw, or flush draw.

Re: HU against baronzeus
 

are you saying that there is no such thing as metagame and stinky should only be calling flops when he calling flops when he catches a piece of them or plans a delayed bluff? im a very aggressive heads up player and i prefer raising over calling in most situations for bluff equity. im not saying i would raise/call or fold here, but i think they are all viable options. clearly a call with the intention of improving is -ev, but its really not.

Re: HU against baronzeus
 

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are you saying that there is no such thing as metagame and stinky should only be calling flops when he calling flops when he catches a piece of them or plans a delayed bluff? im a very aggressive heads up player and i prefer raising over calling in most situations for bluff equity. im not saying i would raise/call or fold here, but i think they are all viable options. clearly a call with the intention of improving is -ev, but its really not.

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what? the question is, in a vacuum, is whether or not the call is +EV. I said it wasnt, and he claimed it was.

Re: HU against baronzeus
 

it depends on how you define the word vacuum. its quite obvious that the call is -ev if you never play against each other again after this session unless of course stinky has enough bluff equity that the call is profitable, but that is truly unlikely. if you factor metagame into heads up play which is an extremely vital factor, i believe the call becomes +ev in many situations, especially in the type of situation youve defined. you cant let a hyperaggro player 3bet you constantly and play hit or miss against him. youll never beat him that way and that is why im often considered hyperaggro when im playing heads up because that is how many people react, by playing hit or miss and hoping for me to overplay my hands.

Re: HU against baronzeus
 

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you called the flop because you were going to raise any turn card right?

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that was my exact argument. theres no way this can be profitable

[/ QUOTE ]your right, hes wrong, game over.

Re: HU against baronzeus
 

can you elaborate some on the game over before you announce game over? id like for you to come out and say that you think making -ev calls for metagame purposes in heads up confrontations is -ev overall because thats what it sounds like everyone is saying. if its so easily black and white game over then this is what it implies.