Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

Warning: The following is not advice. Rather mere observation.

I'm guessing this is 6max which is generally what you play from reading your posts. My first thought was at this level somebody would raise with 10s or 9s preflop, so the first hand that came to mind was A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], but...

...after reading your last post, you're playing against someone who would limp with 10s or 9s and then checkraise because they think it will net them the most money and the flush and straight draws on the board scare the crap out of 'em.

I know this player because I have been him before. Onward and upward.

Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

my intial read of villian is two pair, it's more likely than a higher set.

--turnipmonster

Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

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fair enough.

Turn: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

villian thinks and checks.

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That's one ugly turn card.

Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

just call and keep the pot reasonable. If he checks the turn, bet 3/4 the pot. If he bets the turn, call. If he bets again on the river call/fold depending on the size of the bet and how scary the board has gotten. 2 pair, strait draw, flush draw, or OESFD is likely here so i don't like giving up this hand easily.

This was a tough spot to be in. Hope it worked out okay!

By the way, the problem with reraising this flop, is that i think it's likely that he'll take this pot away with a worse hand.

Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

From your description, I really think your villain hates the turn card.

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my intial read of villian is two pair, it's more likely than a higher set.

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Two pair was a close second to the first hand that came to my mind. I know set over set is unlikely, but I have lived this hand before many times from the other end.

But then I could be completely wrong.

Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

it seems villian is very unlikely to be checkraising a draw on the flop unless he's just getting out of line trying to take it down.

I don't think he can rule out you having a draw though, since you have good implied odds to call his flop raise and I assume you'll bet lots of hands in last position, lots of good things can happen betting draws on the flop last to act (free card, win pot now, etc).

it's a tough hand because villian can have anything in BB, but in terms of card combos he will have 9T more often than 99/TT. my vote is 300-350 on the turn. I think it is very hard for him to raise you with two pair and the board is only going to get scarier for both of you.

--turnipmonster

Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

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That's one ugly turn card.

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it's actually not that bad considering. fsu player is certainly going to lose less if he's facing a higher set, and his position is going to allow him to make more from two pair. also, fsu can have a wider range of hands than his opponent and his opponent doesn't know whether he likes that card.

so I think villian should hate that card a lot more than fsuplayer should.


--turnipmonster

Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

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That's one ugly turn card.

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it's actually not that bad considering. fsu player is certainly going to lose less if he's facing a higher set, and his position is going to allow him to make more from two pair. also, fsu can have a wider range of hands than his opponent and his opponent doesn't know whether he likes that card.

so I think villian should hate that card a lot more than fsuplayer should.


--turnipmonster

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OK - I agree - so what's the plan?

Bet pot and fold to a raise?

Will top two call us here? (maybe)
Will top or middle set, or turned straight fold to our bet? (doubt it)

Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

Any particular reason he doesn't have JQ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] here?

Re: Deep Stacks: Got CR\'d w Btm Set
 

Re-raise hes trying to get a free card