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junkmail3 12-29-2005 06:12 PM

QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
Party Poker (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>.
Action: UTG raises to 5, 3 callers, I make it 20.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
I lead out 25, one caller.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Caller pushes - I call.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>


Is this standard? I don't usually play NL Ring.

wall_st 12-29-2005 06:13 PM

Re: QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
what limit, any reads ?

junkmail3 12-29-2005 06:14 PM

Re: QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
100NL

Uh, the initial raiser, raised and stacked someone with a set of Js.

He was out of the hand by the turn.

The turn pusher has no real reads - I think he's been at the table for about 6 hands.
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Edit: And we both have about 100 in our stack.

12-29-2005 06:24 PM

Re: QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
As far as "is this standard?", without a read on your opponent, I would say no. You typically don't want to play for your stack with TPTK, or an overpair. Two pair is marginal, and I would say most players are looking for a set on a relatively uncoordinated board to play for their stack.

12-29-2005 06:25 PM

Re: QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
so the pot size on the flop is about $45? I pot it.
Edit: you're obviously pushing any turn for your last $35

12-29-2005 06:27 PM

Re: QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
When a pot is reraised preflop, TPTK and overpairs become worth taking to felt, IMO. Any cbet commits you.

Assuming 100BB. Deep stacks, you actually have to play poker (go figure)

Edit: use your head; if you have AQ TPTK and villain called a 3bet pf but raises the flop, you can let it go (AA-KK and sets).

poboy 12-29-2005 06:33 PM

Re: QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
So pot is ~$100 on flop and you lead for 25? Also what are stack sizes?I'm thinking a push is probably best. JMO

junkmail3 12-29-2005 07:14 PM

Re: QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
I couldn't get the convertor to work and I didn't want to post the raw HH, but since there is some confusion, maybe I'll just post it:



THis is ugly:
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: a( $145.65 )
Seat 10: b ( $203.25 )
Seat 7: hero ( $95.85 )
Seat 8: c ( $26.75 )
Seat 4: d ( $136.89 )
Seat 6: e ( $0 )
Seat 5: f ( $95 )
Seat 1: g ( $96 )
Seat 9: h ( $120.40 )
Seat 3: i ( $100 )
b posts small blind [$0.50].
hero posts big blind [$1].
i [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Qc Qd ]

c folds.
d folds.
e raises [$5].
f folds.
g folds.

i folds.
a calls [$5].
b calls [$4.50].
hero raises [$14].
c calls [$10].
d calls [$10].
e calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Th, 7c ]
a checks.
heo bets [$25].
e folds.
f folds.
g calls [$25].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
g is all-In [$55]
hero calls [$55].
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]

teamdonkey 12-29-2005 07:50 PM

Re: QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
players c and d, after folding and then calling your raise, probably have small pocket pairs. player g folding preflop and then pushing the turn is troubling. But i think the real player to watch here is f, who folds preflop and on the flop, but then mysteriously has no turn or river action? that's one sneaky mother [censored]

junkmail3 12-29-2005 08:40 PM

Re: QQ line check - I\'m pretty sure I messed up somewhere!
 
Haha - you took more care than I. That's why this hand was so confusing!

Oh well, it sounds like I should have folded to the turn push, and that's all I care about.


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