Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

No reliable numbers as I'm just taking a shot. Qualitative reads: UTG+2 seems to be an overaggressive LAGtard, button is completely unknown

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, Hero folds, Button calls.

I can't see myself being good here at all after the preflop action. Thoughts?

Re: Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

I'd imagine your beat, tough lay down though, not sure if I can make it.

Re: Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

Even though the pot is huge, I don't think the third-nut backdoor flush draw is enough to call 2 more, esp. from a check/3bet. I suspect I'm drawing to 2 outs here at best.

I just wanted to make sure this was sound at such an aggressive level, thanks.

Re: Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

Looks like the right move to me

Re: Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

Call this down. Geez. When all the donkeys quit playing poker then you can fold this. And if they all quit playing poker, you may as well quit too.

Re: Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

UTG+2 check-3-bets???

MP1 cold-calls 3 bets???

You need to improve.

You're getting just over 13:1 to see the turn. Your backdoor flush draw may be bad even if you hit it. Your queens are clearly clean outs.

13:1 to take one stab at a two-outer? No thanks.

Fold is good.

Re: Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

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Call this down. Geez. When all the donkeys quit playing poker then you can fold this. And if they all quit playing poker, you may as well quit too.

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Yeah, the check-3-bettor is a donkey. He has ace high.

And so is the guy who cold-calls that bet. He's trying to make a backdoor straight.

And so is the button who capped preflop. He has 32o.

Donk, donk, donk, GOOSE!

Please stop posting crappy advice.

Re: Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

"UTG+2 seems to be an overaggressive LAGtard, button is completely unknown"

Folding here is atrocious. 13 to 1 on a draw? You are assuming that he is the one drawing. Overagrressive could have AK, or almost any pocket pair. Button could have capped preflop as a positional play and could have anything as well since he is "unknown." Folding here is a mistake at any Party Poker table. You're the one posting crappy advice.

Re: Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

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You're the one posting crappy advice.

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The masses will prove you wrong.

No apology needed, thanks.

Re: Laying Down an Overpair - Party 20
 

While it looks like a big pot, it's going to cost 3BB at a bare minimum to show down. That means he needs to have the best hand and not get outdrawn at least 20% of the time, and that's just not happening. Putting them both on hands you can beat and then calling down is what the fish do.