Party $25NL: Top-2 w/lots of action
 

Thoughts? Second orbit and multi-tabling so no real reads:

Seat 1: GigabitDrew ( $30.95 )
Seat 3: Reddog456 ( $22.25 )
Seat 4: MadColKenz ( $26.65 )
Seat 6: Justinian26 ( $20.65 )
Seat 7: EddieMoney79 ( $24.15 )
Seat 9: tgriffin1123 ( $23.30 )
Seat 10: DeepSouthPkr ( $39.25 )
Seat 2: HERO ( $25.20 )
Seat 8: zsalzberg ( $5.15 )
DeepSouthPkr posts small blind [$0.10].
GigabitDrew posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qc Kc ]
HERO raises [$1].
Reddog456 folds.
MadColKenz folds.
Justinian26 calls [$1].
EddieMoney79 calls [$1].
zsalzberg folds.
tgriffin1123 folds.
DeepSouthPkr folds.
GigabitDrew folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, 7s, Qs ]
HERO bets [$3].
Justinian26 calls [$3].
tblepker has joined the table.
EddieMoney79 raises [$6].
HERO calls [$3].
Justinian26 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
HERO checks.
Justinian26 checks.
EddieMoney79 bets [$8].
HERO folds.

Re: Party $25NL: Top-2 w/lots of action
 

IDK if I like a weak raise UTG with KQs, but to each his own. On the turn, you are pretty much beating nothing, and the guy on the flop how min raised fired. I fold.

Re: Party $25NL: Top-2 w/lots of action
 

4x the BB is a weak raise? What do you normally raise UTG?

Re: Party $25NL: Top-2 w/lots of action
 

After being min raised I would push.

Re: Party $25NL: Top-2 w/lots of action
 

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After being min raised I would push.

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I'm not entirely sure if i agree. More often than not, I think the minraise is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x. Given the preflop action, its most likely AK, AQ, AJ, or AT. These (with the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]), have 12,12,13,13 outs against you. As such, they have pretty decent pot equity against your top 2, and should (will) call a push. Additionally, it could well be the made nut flush, or a set of 7's, in which case you're down to 4 outs already.

I'd probably rather call, see a non-spade turn, and then push, forcing them into a more uncomfortable decision. As such, I approve OP's line.

Re: Party $25NL: Top-2 w/lots of action
 

At full ring id probably just muck the KQs UTG, but if i raised, it might be 5x-6x. And I think you only raised 3x the bb (do you count the call as part of the raise..ie if bb is 25 and you raise to 100 is that 3xbb raise or 4x bb raise.

Re: Party $25NL: Top-2 w/lots of action
 

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At full ring id probably just muck the KQs UTG, but if i raised, it might be 5x-6x. And I think you only raised 3x the bb (do you count the call as part of the raise..ie if bb is 25 and you raise to 100 is that 3xbb raise or 4x bb raise.

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I haven't played much NL (I have 20K hands at limit and a few hundred SNG's), but folding KQs UTG seems extremely tight...and it is a 4x raise (4x25=100).

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...folding KQs UTG seems extremely RIGHT

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FYP

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After being min raised I would push.

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I'm not entirely sure if i agree. More often than not, I think the minraise is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]x. Given the preflop action, its most likely AK, AQ, AJ, or AT. These (with the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]), have 12,12,13,13 outs against you. As such, they have pretty decent pot equity against your top 2, and should (will) call a push. Additionally, it could well be the made nut flush, or a set of 7's, in which case you're down to 4 outs already.

I'd probably rather call, see a non-spade turn, and then push, forcing them into a more uncomfortable decision. As such, I approve OP's line.

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I also disagree. Not only was I min-raised, but there was a flat caller in between. I felt there had to be at least one flush draw and maybe a made flush. I think I'm way behind more often than way ahead, and would have been called by at least one of the villains.

I decided to call the min-raise and see the turn. Obviously things only got worse with the 4th spade, and I had no choice but to let the hand go.