ONLINE 15. KQo. HOW DID I DO.
 

HJ is a Tag player who knows im also a tag/lag. he knows my 3 betting range here is probably quite large.

BT is a weird calling fish. the type who loves to chase, who never folds and doesnt raise until the river and only if he has a strong hand. his preflop coldcalling 3 bet range is ahead of me on average and hes not folding on the flop or turn regardless of his holding and will probably take any ace to the showdown. i checked the flop hoping he would oblige in checking behind.

HJ opens, I 3bet in the CO with KQo. BT calls 3 cold, Blinds fold HJ calls.

Flop is 932 with 2 spades. I have the Qs

HJ checks, I check (?), BT bets, HJ and I both call.

Turn is a 7h

HJ checks, I check, BT bets, HJ folds I call getting 8:1(?)

River is a K

I bet, BT raises, I call

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In my opinion the flop call is marginal and the turn call is poor. When he raises the river it sure looks you are beat, but in a pot that size I would reluctantly call although maybe if I were a better player I would fold.

Cartman

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Hi flawless,

I would not bet the river. If I did bet, I would fold to a raise.

If he is as passive as you make him out to be, then maybe the turn is a fold though.

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I don't think your making money off that turn call. Do you think this villain would call hands like KJ, JTs, and 44 for 3 bets and bet the flop and turn? Without these mediocre holdings, 8:1 is not enough. He's got you dominated to just 3 outs or just plain drawing dead a bit too often.

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humm, why is your range of 3bet hands so large as you acknowledge...If he knows ur likely to 3 bet, wont he slow down his raises on crappier hands? I dont get myself into this costly situation...
call river and look at his ugly 2 pr

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humm, why is your range of 3bet hands so large as you acknowledge...If he knows ur likely to 3 bet, wont he slow down his raises on crappier hands? I dont get myself into this costly situation...
call river and look at his ugly AK or set

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fyp -- I don't put villain on two pair here, but I agree we're behind, and I agree with Kurosh that if you're going to bet the river, against this opponent you probably need to fold to a raise. (On the other hand, I've had opponents raise me here with stuff like JJ or QQ when I donked into them when my A hit and I was calling down with AK. This doesn't seem like that kind of player, though.)

I think peeling on the turn is probably bad -- too likely that our outs are dirty.

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Lets say his 3bet range is 99+, AQ+. Is that off?

AA - 6,0
KK - 3,0
QQ - 3,3
JJ - 6,6
TT - 6,6
99 - 6,0
AK - 12,3
AQ - 12,3

avg 2.8 outs. even the flop call is marginal, the turn certainly.

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you misread the action. i 3bet preflop and he coldcalled 3.

id put his hand range on perhaps:

AJo+
ATs+
77+
KQo+
KTs+
JQs+

and perhaps throw in some random hands like KTo and 44. the problem with giving him this hand range however is that some hands are naturally more likely than others. its hard for me to weigh his hand range.

so take out the 2 random hands and give him 88+ and KJs+ and take out QJs. whats my equity on the turn now?

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I think I hate every street but preflop, given the read. Flop is mighty thin.

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so take out the 2 random hands and give him 88+ and KJs+ and take out QJs. whats my equity on the turn now?

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now you'd be 37%. so that changes everything.

EDIT: TS, by the way, how do you get a sense for where you statnd against such a wide range like this? do you use any tricks? b/c without pokerstoving it i'm often way off.

EDIT2: Also, alot of our equity comes from calling down when he has KJs, etc, so if he's capable of bluffing the river when we check to him after missing then our actual equity will be less.