98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

Party 3/6 6 max table. We're 5 handed.

the SB and BB are bid time donks. Calling down with anything, raising 3rd pair on the turn, they're pretty much seeing very flop while in the blinds.

I'm UTG with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]s and I raise.

CO is new to the table, but has lousy stats in a pointless sample size from another table. He folds.

Button seems solid. He's got wise to the face that I've been isolating pretty light (but mostly I've just had like nonstop good cards preflop). He thinks for a bit, and 3-bets.

The blinds fold, which is unexpected and lame.

The flop comes 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check, he bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I call.

My thoughts here: I've been playing slightly conservative preflop. I don't think he 3-bets me here without a pretty good holding. My only hesitation is that based on his play so far, he really did tank preflop, so I'm thinking it's slightly less likely that he's got a big pair.

The turn is the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check, he bets, I call. For some reason I don't love my hand right now.

River is the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check, he bets, I raise with the intention of folding to a 3-bet.

Re: 98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

what does he have on the turn that beats you?

Re: 98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

checkraise the turn, way too many draws out for you to be playing around. I don't fold the river UI if he 3-bets either, it doesn't sound like you have enough hands on him to do that. Your table image seems to be pretty loose right now, don't know if you've been showing down those good cards or not, but now probably isn't a good time to mix it up with raising 98s UTG.

Re: 98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

im c/ring the turn with probably the best hand and outs.

I dont like getting fancy with river raises + if he has KQ you wont be getting paid off. Make him pay, as he will prob never fold this turn with a worse hand.

Re: 98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

wow I love my hand if I'm you and I bet/3bet the turn

with how oddly you have played this hand I don't think I could fold on the river. I mean if he has the nut two pair he's going to have a hard time putting you on Q9 or an 8 here. that might mean i wouldn't c/r the river, but I don't know.

Re: 98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

I really don't like this line. He'll almost always at least call a turn c/r, and is capable of 3 betting the river with something you beat. Would he really "tank" preflop with TT/JJ, but not QQ/KK? I would c/r the turn. The question then is what to do if he 3-bets.

Re: 98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

The other reason I waited till the river was that if he had a simple one pair hand, I think he can fold to the turn raise a lot easier than the river raise.

Re: 98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

dids....fold preflop, and given the read you think he has a good hand, bet/3bet the turn, cuz your donk looks like a gay ass bluff that he will gladly raise....dont fold to a river 3 bet


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Re: 98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

hey dids,

1. fold preflop
2. i don't like the flop c/r, he's not folding anything you want him to fold and if he happens to have a small PP, you dont want him to fold.
3. more action needs to go in on this turn, i'm not giving him credit for a big hand just yet. bet/3-bet or c/r. i prefer bet/3-bet because i dont want to let him check behind with AK/AQ and your hand looks weak when you donk the turn and he's going to let you 3-bet him often
4. folding to a river 3-bet is disastrous. don't try and make big folds when you've underrepresented your hand and your opponent thinks your hand is weaker than it actually is

Re: 98s and I play goofy and/or with l33t skillz
 

Why on earth should he fold preflop?