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09-06-2005 03:15 PM

The flop decision
 
Dealt to ChazDazzle [Ah Ts] in BB
MP1: raises $2 to $4
ChazDazzle: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Js Ac 2c]

What is the optimal line here. He raised from MP1 and he seems to be sort of a solid player nothing too laggy or fish like. Raising preflop doesn't necessarily say that he has a better ace (he could have any pp as well) but if he does we want to find out and if we can how? We could qualify this as no read. Is the best line to bet out and reraise him if he raises? Or to get maximum read on his hand might we want to powerplay checkraise and then if reraised check fold the turn? As i see it i want to get into a situation with strong but not amazing hands where i can easily figure out what my opponent holds. This way i'll be able to value bet when i'm ahead and fold when i am too far behind to get pot odds to draw. Is this something i should be worrying about or do i just have to pay off the higher ace in this case?

sy_or_bust 09-06-2005 03:27 PM

Re: The flop decision
 
'check/call, check/call, bet' generally maximizes value when you're either way ahead (66-TT, QQ-KK, etc.) or way behind and out of position.

TheHammer24 09-06-2005 03:29 PM

Re: The flop decision
 
[ QUOTE ]
'check/call, check/call, bet' generally maximizes value when you're either way ahead (66-TT, QQ-KK, etc.) or way behind and out of position.

[/ QUOTE ]

River is tpyically bet/call too, it should be noted.

09-06-2005 03:31 PM

Re: The flop decision
 
I would like to see what the consensus is preflop. I am folding based on description of MP1.

TheHammer24 09-06-2005 03:33 PM

Re: The flop decision
 
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I would like to see what the consensus is preflop. I am folding based on description of MP1.

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I usually call, but it is read dependent. I don't know what is optimal according to "the books"

MercTec 09-06-2005 05:39 PM

Re: The flop decision
 
This is an easy call in the BB

otis_nixon 09-06-2005 05:44 PM

Re: The flop decision
 
I like bet on the flop, call if raised, call turn bet, and lead if no c river and fold to a raise

but I usually fold preflop

09-06-2005 06:31 PM

Re: The flop decision
 
Is a9o an easy call? a8o?

MercTec 09-06-2005 06:34 PM

Re: The flop decision
 
A9 i say yes, A8 is gettin close but I still call. An UTG raise is a different story, but an MP raise can be a wider range. It obviously depends on the player raising, but against an unknown, I call.....but I'm a lag. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

09-06-2005 06:37 PM

Re: The flop decision
 
Just trying to get a feel for how people play. I am likely respecting an MP1 raise here, maybe even a raise from the Hijack. I feel it's pretty close either way, especially without reads, and when I'm multi-tabling especially I don't like dealing with these marginal situations. Plus, I'm finding a new table if I'm facing them a lot [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


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