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GoblinMason (Craig) 11-30-2005 08:32 AM

boring fold v tag.
 
Hero raises AJcc in EP, unknown MP ccs, Tag 3bets from SB, BB leaves, rest call.

*** FLOP *** 3 for 10SBs [As Qd 6s]

SBleads, both call

*** TURN *** 3 for 6BBs [10h]

SB leads, I fold.

xwillience 11-30-2005 08:49 AM

Re: boring fold v tag.
 
this may sound like a stupid question, but why?? I mean is he really so tight that you cant raise the flop?

Cernunnos 11-30-2005 08:50 AM

Re: boring fold v tag.
 
If your absolutely sure he doesn't have KK,JJ,99,AJ or KQ suited fine, It might be a leak of mine but I raise the flop and play it from that point.

admiralfluff 11-30-2005 08:52 AM

Re: boring fold v tag.
 
This is pretty close, and depends on how aggro he is postflop. If he's a tighter TAG, and your read is solid, I think it's safe to assume he doesn't lead a UI PP again on the turn => good fold. If he's a lagtag (like me), I think it's a calldown.

adsman 11-30-2005 09:04 AM

Re: boring fold v tag.
 
I can't do this. Should I be able to do this?

11-30-2005 09:08 AM

Re: boring fold v tag.
 
I would never do this. I am calling down. Notice that you got a gutshot to the nut too. You have almost odds to call for that alone.

xwillience 11-30-2005 09:08 AM

Re: boring fold v tag.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I can't do this. Should I be able to do this?

[/ QUOTE ]

im with this guy

11-30-2005 11:06 AM

Re: boring fold v tag.
 
I also raise the flop. If he 3-bets the flop and leads the turn, or just donks the turn, then we aren't quite getting odds for the gutshot, seem to be clearly behind and can fold.

I also call down way more than I am supposed to, and see weird things like A9 or a complete bluff surprisingly often, even from tight players.

11-30-2005 11:07 AM

Re: boring fold v tag.
 
you have lots of outs on the river even if you are beat right now.

numeri 11-30-2005 11:18 AM

Re: boring fold v tag.
 
It looks like your hand range on SB is too tight. He can have more than AA, AK, AQ or QQ. Wouldn't hands like AJ, KsQs, KK, or even JJ play it this way as well? Even if we give villain a hand range of just AA-JJ and AK/AQ, we still have 36% equity on this turn. (From PokerStove)

It's only if we give a specific range of all the bad hands that we're [censored].


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