Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

why think so hard against an opponent that doesn't merit it

this is close enough to a hand vs deck decision to call with very little thought

Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

I would pray, then call, and then be prepared for huge varience

Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

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How are these hands remotely interesting?

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It's not at all interesting. It's a very simple math/logic problem.

-Diplomat

Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

I voted call -

- this guy likes to gamble and gets off by pushing the table around.

-he just pushed and everyone folded so he is feeling good about himself and his ability to bully.

But....

after thinking about it, I probably would fold. I am not very excited about sticking in 2.5 buy-ins in this situation. If this were 5/10 I call $1500 right away. But at 600NL, it's a different story for reasons that others have already mentioned.

Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

Did this hand happen April of this year?

Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

I posted it in May so it likely happened early april/early may.

Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

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it may be correct to pass up an immediately +EV situation to get a more +EV spot later

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What?!

Why would you ever pass up a +EV situation in a cash game?

If you answer "bankroll considerations" you are either playing too high or you are too risk averse which is about the same.

Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

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it may be correct to pass up an immediately +EV situation to get a more +EV spot later

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What?!

Why would you ever pass up a +EV situation in a cash game?

If you answer "bankroll considerations" you are either playing too high or you are too risk averse which is about the same.

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Read his entire post again, it actually makes a lot of sense.

EDIT: From his post it might not be entirely clear. This is $600 capped buyin game. Hero has $1600 and fish has him covered. So though we might have an edge here (let's say 10% for example, we win $160) But if we wait we might have get a spot wehre we have a 30% edge ($480). If the buyin wasn't capped, this wouldn't be a consideratino, but if we bust out in this marginal situation we can only buy back for $600, so we don't make as much when we get in a better spot with the fish.

Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

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it may be correct to pass up an immediately +EV situation to get a more +EV spot later

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What?!

Why would you ever pass up a +EV situation in a cash game?

If you answer "bankroll considerations" you are either playing too high or you are too risk averse which is about the same.

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Read his entire post again, it actually makes a lot of sense.

EDIT: From his post it might not be entirely clear. This is $600 capped buyin game. Hero has $1600 and fish has him covered. So though we might have an edge here (let's say 10% for example, we win $160) But if we wait we might have get a spot wehre we have a 30% edge ($480). If the buyin wasn't capped, this wouldn't be a consideratino, but if we bust out in this marginal situation we can only buy back for $600, so we don't make as much when we get in a better spot with the fish.

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Please give me an example of a hand that AQs beats but is an insignificant favorite over. Either you are ahead, even money or buried.

Then define "wrong". Do you mean the specific hand or your whole pattern is wrong?

What hands do you require to call in this situation? AA, KK?

Re: Deep 3/6NL: CAll all in preflop with AQs?
 

Why would you ever pass up a +EV situation in a cash game?

Because a better one will come up later? I mean, this seems pretty easy to me...

If you're not dominating him, which you might be but not necessarily, then you're maybe 70/30 at best. You wanna risk 2.5 buy-ins when you have nothing invested in the pot and are probably 2 to 1 or worst to win the pot?

You have the best position you can imagine at the table. A massive stack with a guy to your right that's using only an all in move.

I think I'm waiting for AA, KK, QQ, and AK for this. Your stack is massive and the blinds are insignificant. The advantage isn't that you can win a stack from him, it's that you can cripple him and be sitting there with 5x or more of a buy-in.

If he's behind you, it's a much tougher decision. But in this position you can just sit around and wait till you're far more likely to be a 4 to 1 favorite, which is oh so much more attractive than being a 2 to 1 fav.

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