Can I muck it anywhere?
 

6 handed.

I have AdQs on button. UTG raises, folded to co who calls, I 3 bet, TAG SB caps it, we all call.

no read on UTG, co is fishy.

Flop is Qh 8h 4c
SB checks, utg checks, co checks, i bet, sb raises, utg folds, co folds, I call intending to call down.


blake

Re: Can I muck it anywhere?
 

I don't think so.

Re: Can I muck it anywhere?
 

SB could be capping with TT, JJ, KQs, and maybe even 99, and he is protecting his hand on the flop. No way you can fold.

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I don't think a TAG would cap 99 and KQs oop (and TT is iffy).

I also think if he had a made hand he would have bet out instead of going for the check-raise there. Who checkraises the flop in a multi-way pot after capping pf?

I would definitely three-bet the flop here.

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I don't think a TAG would cap 99 and KQs oop (and TT is iffy).

I also think if he had a made hand he would have bet out instead of going for the check-raise there. Who checkraises the flop in a multi-way pot after capping pf?

I would definitely three-bet the flop here.

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He might not cap 99, KQs, or TT, but some opponents do, therefore you have to allow the possibility. Also, while leading may seem right, I think some people also go for the check raise with these hands.

I also wouldn´t be suprised if he had AK. He doesn´t want to bet into the field, but when he sees he has a bet from the button, it is his perfect opportunity to check raise, hoping that the button bet with a worse hand. If anyone else would have bet, his plan might have been to call.

I don´t like 3-betting, because it puts you in a tough spot if he continues his agression. I´d rather let him bluff, or think he is value betting with worse hands.

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I would definitely three-bet the flop here.

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What does 3-betting accomplish? We aren't ahead often enough to put extra bets in. IMO, it's either call and fold the turn UI, or get to the showdown as cheaply as possible.

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I see no other option but to call down.

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He might not cap 99, KQs, or TT, but some opponents do, therefore you have to allow the possibility.

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Well, I disagree here. Some folks do anything ridiculous, it doesn't mean you have to allow for it. If his read on the player is correct (TAG) I think that helps you narrow the hand range.

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I also wouldn´t be suprised if he had AK. He doesn´t want to bet into the field, but when he sees he has a bet from the button, it is his perfect opportunity to check raise, hoping that the button bet with a worse hand.

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This is exactly the hand I would put him on (or AQ or JJ).

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I don´t like 3-betting, because it puts you in a tough spot if he continues his agression. I´d rather let him bluff, or think he is value betting with worse hands.

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I like 3-betting here because I could very well have the best hand, I have position, and for an extra small bet I get a better idea of what sb is holding. If he caps the flop then I'll fold the turn UI.

Calling down here feels weak. *shrug*

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I like 3-betting here because I could very well have the best hand, I have position, and for an extra small bet I get a better idea of what sb is holding. If he caps the flop then I'll fold the turn UI.


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I think this is awful. If he has a hand we are beating, such as JJ or AK (you said these were pretty likely), we should allow him to bluff.

If your plan to 3-bet and fold the turn UI if he caps seems really bad, considering he sometimes has AQ, and you are giving up half of a pretty good pot.

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I also wouldn´t be suprised if he had AK. He doesn´t want to bet into the field, but when he sees he has a bet from the button, it is his perfect opportunity to check raise, hoping that the button bet with a worse hand.

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This is exactly the hand I would put him on (or AQ or JJ).

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Considering the action, you should really put him on all hands that fit his range. Only putting him on hands that justify your decision to 3-bet isn't good for your game.

We're behind too often here to just keep pumping.