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UATrewqaz 11-30-2005 04:47 PM

Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
This is just a question that poppped into my head and I know everyone's gut re-action will be "the hand is dead" but I was wondering if anyone knew OFFICIALLY (I know house rules vary on some things) but as officially as possibly

Is it legal to muck 1 of your hole cards and still play with the other?

Example: Let's say you try to steal the blinds with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and the BB ends up calling.

Board is K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB bets into you on the river, your ace alone gives you the nuts... would it be legal to say "I call" place your chips out to call flip over the ace and then muck the other card.

You've made your intention clear (that you are calling) and you clearly have the winning hand (or at least worthy of a chop) so what's the official rule?

LearnedfromTV 11-30-2005 04:53 PM

Re: Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
You can't. Every casino I know of requires that you show both to claim any part of the pot. There may be multiple reasons for this but one is:

If you had a fouled hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] that would invalidate the hand you could get away with it by mucking one.

11-30-2005 05:12 PM

Re: Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
Sir, if you are spending time thinking about stuff like this you have too much free time on your hands.

sirpupnyc 11-30-2005 05:20 PM

Re: Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
What kind of stupid-ass move would this be? Show your damn cards and get on with the next hand! Everybody plays a junky hand and still wins now and then; anybody who'll think less of you for it will probably find some other reason, like your trying to muck half your hand. Be a proud member of the Any-Ace Brigade, show your cards and stack your ill-gotten chips. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

And I'm pretty sure someone has quoted Robert's Rules here in the past as saying that you have to have two cards to have a hand. One card on the floor, one card in the muck, one card in your drink, whatever, you don't have a hand and have no claim to the pot.

Randy_Refeld 11-30-2005 05:22 PM

Re: Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
I am a firm believer in letting the best hand win, but in this case i would rule your hand dead. If you are careless and lose a card because you were just showing the one that played and the dealer took your other card I would rule that a live hand in the interest of fairness. In the case you described it appears you want to make a claim for the pot and keep what you were trying to steal with a secret.

A good rule of thumb is an honest mistake is not going to cost someone a pot when it can be determined they had a winning hand. When someone shoots an angle and ends up with a fouled hand they are going to have the hand ruled dead to discourage angle shooting.

11-30-2005 05:23 PM

Re: Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
Rule at my casino is you must turn over both cards in a showdown to claim the pot.

ScottieK

BigFishSmallCardRoom 11-30-2005 05:24 PM

Re: Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Rule at my casino is you must turn over both cards in a showdown to claim the pot.

ScottieK

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cardcounter0 11-30-2005 05:31 PM

Re: Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
Without reading any of the other replies, you must show both cards to win a pot if there is a showdown.

AngusThermopyle 11-30-2005 05:33 PM

Re: Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
Next time you think up some "how cool can I be" move, remember this.
At the minimum, it will cause a big fuss, stop the game for 10 minutes, and result in everybody being P.O.ed. Maybe that is what you want.
Most rules and floormen don't like "I'm cool" moves. So the ruling will/should go against you.
If you post your idea here, wear asbestos.

UATrewqaz 11-30-2005 05:36 PM

Re: Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 
My other idea involved at showdown, taking a Polaroid shot of your cards, then mucking them, then waiting for the Polaroid to develop and show that down...

THINK OF THE DRAMA!


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