Negraneau call\'s a value bet with King High?????
 

Please forgive me for not having the exact details of this hand. If someone else can give them that would be great. It was the WPT Episode from last night Borgata. Heads up action.

Preflop raise by daniel on the button. Call by williams

Flop J8x

Williams bets 1/2 pot (ish) with a pair of Jacks
Negraneau calls with K2 no pair no draw

Turn RagSpade

Willams fires
Negraneau calls with Flush draw

River: Red Jack

Williams fire 200k into a 900kish pot
Danny thinks thinks thinks and calls?!?! with King High

He did this earlier with Ace high stating that he wanted to see what David Had. I understood that because it was a much smaller amount and a fishier situation. Here I don't get it. A clear value bet and he calls anyway.

So enlighten me what am I missing?

Straight Flushes,

SAM

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That was a great episode.

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IIRC, Daniel was calling more for information than anything else.

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From what was televised I thought Daniel played very erratically heads up, as though he'd lost focus. Then the deck hit him.

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This is heads up. Obviously, he thought Williams was bluffing and high high was good. When you play aggressively, sometimes you get more action.

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Yeh, the heads up match between Negreanu and Williams was awesome.

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I can think of several reasons why you might want to call in such spots. First, you'd gain potentially useful information about your opponent's betting habits. Second, in heads up play Ace or King high might actually be the best hand -- especially considering that David may well be bluffing. Third, if you do call with hands like Ace or King high, you might deter your opponent from bluffing in future hands (since you've established a willingness to look him up with relatively weak holdings). Fourth, you may have picked up a possible tell on your opponent, and you'd need to see his or her hole cards to verify it.

Also, one thing to keep in mind is that (especially) in heads up play, you have to look at the hands context. If you study a single hand in isolation, the play may make little sense -- but it might be appropriate given all the hands that have been played and, perhaps, how you might be setting your opponents up in future hands. Even though the play on a single hand in isolation may be 'sub-optimal' it may lead to better overall results for the entire session.

Also, you're only seeing a small fraction of the hands anyway, which makes it all the more difficult to figure out what the players might have been thinking.

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What about the slowroll at the end? I like Daniel, but I thought that was uncool. "What? What did you say? You're all in? Ummmmm, (stands up), ummmmm, I call."

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Yeah, and Williams called him on it. Awkward.

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"slowroll" wasn't that bad. A few things probably went through his mind before calling, and David knew that. They're both friends, and the delay was maybe 3 seconds...it wasn't like he clocked out of his time bank in a PokerStars heads up match when he had A-A...

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It was a pretty big bet. Dont understand the call either.
He was so cuurioous

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What about the slowroll at the end? I like Daniel, but I thought that was uncool. "What? What did you say? You're all in? Ummmmm, (stands up), ummmmm, I call."

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Can someone tell me what the hand was?

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I missed the episode. Who won?

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I missed the episode. Who won?

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Daniel. What's sad is that Williams had a big chip lead and pooched it straight to hell, which just so happens to probably also be miles ahead of what i would have done.

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I'm pretty sure this action is wrong. Wasn't a 9 on the board and didn't Williams have 9's full?

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How long have they been running new episodes now? I'm so out of it...

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Daniel. What's sad is that Williams had a big chip lead and pooched it straight to hell, which just so happens to probably also be miles ahead of what i would have done.

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Everyone says david played horribly hu, Daniel Negreanu says he played near perfect, I'll take Daniel's word for it since he was there for every hand [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Regarding this hands it seems clear Daniel thought the bet looked too much like a value bet so he called waiting (hoping is more likely) to see a bluff

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A. This hand is in a vaccuum.

B. David plays fairly aggressively and no draw hit on the river, and if David had a draw K high beats them all (QT/Q9/T9). Getting 4.5-1 this call is not that horrible if Negreanu had a read.

A value bet is usually larger; a bet this small raises eyebrows. Also, it shows that Daniel won't be pushed around (although after this hand he's going to have to tighten up on the river because this gives David a lot of VBing room).

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Who won, Daniel or David?

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Daniel, and this was not a new episode from last season (season 3).