Worst Fold Ever?
 

20-40 live. Great game. I limp on the button after four limpers with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Blinds come along so there 7 SB in the pot.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checked to a random psycho guy who nonetheless must have some of this flop to bet who bets, one folder, I raise, the BB instacalls. BB is not a good player, but he's not an idiot, he can't have total trash here like a lone 4 or 5 or pocket eights, he's got an ace, two pair, a straight, or a diamond draw. Psycho guy calls and we go the turn threeways for 6.5 BB.

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Psycho guy donkbets, I raise again, BB threebets, psycho guy agonizes for ten minutes and folds. There is simply no doubt he mucked an ace. I call. 13.5 BB pot

River: J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB bets, I fold.

-Michael

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I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for.

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"I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for."

Because I have five outs against a straight.

-Michael

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Then I would say it is a good fold if BB is passive bad. But if he is at all aggressive (or with no read) I think I call here. Just seems like A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or even AK gets shown down one time in 15.

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I fold a lot and I'd have trouble making this fold.

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I can't fold this on the river, but if you trust your read on the BB, I think a straight is a bit optimistic. Maybe fold on the turn. But I'm stubborn and I'd probably call it down.

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well played.

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the J is a crappy card since I could see him doing this with AK-AJ. if the A were a diamond then it would also be less likely that he has top pair and a flush draw, but I think he'd play that the same way, not 3-betting the flop to keep people in for his draw, but doing it on the turn to gamble it up a bit and because he's probably seen you raise with some seemingly (to him) trashy hands postflop

I don't think you ought to fold the river. maybe you could fold the turn if you didn't have outs, but once you make it to the river I think you should be paying off.

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"I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for."

Because I have five outs against a straight.

-Michael

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you have 3 pair. 6 outs

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I don't think you ought to fold the river. maybe you could fold the turn if you didn't have outs, but once you make it to the river I think you should be paying off.

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I agree.

Krishan

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If you fold the river, I think you should call the turn donk.

Krishan

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"you have 3 pair. 6 outs"

No, because the psycho so genuinely took forever to fold, I really think I have only five here.

-Michael

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read "no doubt" as "no chance" he folded an A. this also changes my thinking on the river, since there's only 1 A left

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If BB has AK or AQ he would be correct to think it's best on the flop and turn. Some people don't 3-bet unless they have a royal flush, only if you think he's one of those people is a fold safe.

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Ugh, getting 14.5-1, Its impossible for me to find the fold button here. I've seen too many overplayed flush draws here. If he has AKs, AQs (in diamonds), he probably has a set here. Calling the turn (which is fine), I'm calling the river (A2 is also a possibility)

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"I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for."

Because I have five outs against a straight.

-Michael

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But does he insta-call PF with 54s? 33 makes the most sense, but there is of course only 1 combination of that. Next most sense is an A, though I don't see him 3-betting there with just an A. His behavior may be strange enough to merit a calldown. If his PF call with 54s is standard, I don't mind your line, but still think a river call probably better.

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I can't find a fold anywhere. I think assuming he has 54 is kind of weak tight, but nevertheless possible. 33, 22, and AA all have one combination so they are also unlikely. Your opponent has AT-AK a a lot in this situation. The way it was played he may think he is best. He could very well have something like A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Getting a great flop and assuiming its best. If the river is a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I say fold. Otherwise getting 14.5:1 on your money and only really losing to 54 and AJ I think you have to call.

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"I don't really understand why you would call the turn here but fold the river. I can see reasons to fold the turn or calldown, depending on the player, but the J seems about as blanky as you could hope for."

Because I have five outs against a straight.

-Michael

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But does he insta-call PF with 54s? 33 makes the most sense, but there is of course only 1 combination of that. Next most sense is an A, though I don't see him 3-betting there with just an A. His behavior may be strange enough to merit a calldown. If his PF call with 54s is standard, I don't mind your line, but still think a river call probably better.

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He's up against the BB.

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He's up against the BB.

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I know, but he's being offered only 5:1 OOP. That is not necessarily an insta-call, though for some people it is. So I was saying it depends on wheather or not it is an insta call for the BB.

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There was no preflop raise as I see it. Is that what you're implying?

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He's up against the BB.

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I know, but he's being offered only 5:1 OOP. That is not necessarily an insta-call, though for some people it is. So I was saying it depends on wheather or not it is an insta call for the BB.

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I don't think we're on the same page. There was no raise preflop and the BB instacalled the flop raise.