\"Implied Odds\" Argument
 

A friend of mine altered a hand and made up this hypothetical situation. I'm not sure of what site this is but heres the hand. Ignore the preflop crap.

$1 - NL - 9 Seats 5678884-3 Holdem No Limit 20/40
Hand Start.
Seat 1 : THANKYOUALL has $1,840
Seat 2 : bba33 has $2,960
Seat 3 : Rossalr has $2,000
Seat 4 : JUGS UK has $1,380
Seat 5 : abigfan has $1,760
Seat 6 : kikigranny has $2,000
Seat 7 : msj420 has $2,160
Seat 8 : splash-it has $1,940
Seat 9 : solucky123 has $1,960
splash-it is the dealer.
solucky123 posted small blind.
THANKYOUALL posted big blind.
Stakes: 20/40 Current level: 1 Next level in: 5 min.
Seat 5 : abigfan has 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
bba33 called 40
Rossalr folded.
JUGS UK folded.
abigfan called 40 and raised 40
kikigranny called 80
msj420 called 80
splash-it folded.
solucky123 folded.
THANKYOUALL called 40
bba33 called 40

Dealing flop.
Board cards [A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

THANKYOUALL checked.
bba33 bet 300
abigfan ....?

My friend argued that anyone who folds here is stupid. He said "check stack sizes, position, and your cards." I don't really believe that folding is a stupid play and I would fold here, but I'm weak at postflop.

The way I see it- even if you call someone else could push- if he pushes and original raiser calls your whole stack is on the line and you aren't getting the 4:1 you need. Eh, even if calling is correct here- folding wouldn't be a horrible play but can someone fill in the blanks.

Re: \"Implied Odds\" Argument
 

What is up with the minraise preflop? Yuck.

Re: \"Implied Odds\" Argument
 

I said ignore the preflop crap- miss that part? in the original hand that dude had QQ and played the whole hand retarded. but this isn't about that, it's about the other ish.

Re: \"Implied Odds\" Argument
 

Yes. Actually I did. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: \"Implied Odds\" Argument
 

I fold here.

Re: \"Implied Odds\" Argument
 

Eh- me too. Doesn't really help me- I need reasoning because I really don't know exactly why I fold here.

Re: \"Implied Odds\" Argument
 

a) your flush draw might not be good
b) when you hit your draw, you have to get paid off.
c) when you hit your draw, he can re-draw (or you can both hit, when he fills up as you make your flush)
d) there are still 3 people to act behind you
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your stack isn't that deep at all, you're not getting that good of implied odds. i think i'm more likely to push here than i am to call.

Re: \"Implied Odds\" Argument
 

I know you said to ignore the preflop crap, but this is a great example of why I wouldn't play 67s from early-middle position. I'm more worried about a reraise behind me here than calling the bet in the first place. On the button the odds would be much clearer, and a call might be in order since the ace of diamonds is already out, and that would be the most likely flush holding in one of your opponents hands. In this case, probably a fold.

Re: \"Implied Odds\" Argument
 

Not even probably a fold, Definitely a fold.