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wacki 12-19-2005 10:29 PM

Controversy over symbols and racism .
 
There are people at 2+2 argueing that anyone using this symbol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cactuar
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9...actuar25zw.gif

is a racist.

Also, there are several people that are claiming I don't know what I'm talking about when I say the Rebel Flag isn't about slavery.

Apparently they are offended by images like this:

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1...oodboy21uc.jpg

Because that stands for slavery and is racist!

I bet all those people in dollywood are racist too!

This woman has to be evil!

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/6...01018091gw.jpg

Apparently the state flags of Georgia, Mississippi, Arkansas, Florida, and Alabama are also racist and was designed specifically to opress black people.

However, state legislature records from that time only talks about state rights, heritage, etc. That doesn't matter though, I guess it's still racist to some.

I wonder if this guy is a racist:

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/200/3...4SCV%20053.jpg


and this guy is a racist

http://www.thesouthernamerican.org/files/edger2.jpg

This guy is holding a sign attacking the NAACP!!! HE MUST BE RACIST!!!

(sign says "NAACP LEAVE MY MISSISSIPPI STATE FLAG ALONE")

http://www.southernmessenger.org/images/MissFlag.jpg


I bet this is some real racist booty here!

http://www.thesouthernamerican.org/files/mtn_pict_3.jpg

and here:

http://www.thesouthernamerican.org/f...nfederates.jpg




So what do you say OOT? Is anyone that posts a swastika cactus or rebel flag racist?

Blarg 12-19-2005 10:32 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
I'm pretty tired of hearing all the defenses of crap like this. Even OOT is better than that.

ThaSaltCracka 12-19-2005 10:32 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
the first pic is a different version than the original. I personally don't find it offensive, but I suppose some people might. The other [censored] doesn't make sense to me.

tonypaladino 12-19-2005 10:33 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Should we ban anyone that posts a swastika cactus or rebel flag?

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No

thatpfunk 12-19-2005 10:33 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
i didn't even get the cactus thing until i looked for a few minutes

tonypaladino 12-19-2005 10:34 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

kipin 12-19-2005 10:34 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
I think there are bigger things to worry about.

Also, I have yet to see a massive influx of racially charged images.

Alobar 12-19-2005 10:35 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
personally, I think there are some very stupid mods around here.

Also this is the problem when you appoint regualr posters to moderate a forum. You get narrow minded people who love to flex their power over people who used to be their "peers" and decide for everyone else what goes and what doesnt. Its just a symptom of a fevered little ego.

just to clarify tho, I think there are some really good mods around here too. But there are definately some that need to go.

ThaSaltCracka 12-19-2005 10:37 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
we need more pics of Dolly's knockers:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/dolly.part...n/pvdolly3.jpg

istewart 12-19-2005 10:38 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned. *DELETED*
 
Post deleted by istewart

12-19-2005 10:39 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...cingMonkey.gif

[censored] 12-19-2005 10:39 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
I would not be for disallowing swastika or confederate flag avatars. Basically I think people should be allowed to have avatars that other even most find offensive and/or racist.

Basically someone using something as a avatar that I find in poor taste isn't a big concern of mine.

ThaSaltCracka 12-19-2005 10:41 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Basically someone using something as a avatar that I find in poor taste isn't a big concern of mine.

[/ QUOTE ] well plus since nearly everyone uses firefox, just right click and hide the offensive avatar.

Alobar 12-19-2005 10:43 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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I would not be for disallowing swastika or confederate flag avatars. Basically I think people should be allowed to have avatars that other even most find offensive and/or racist.

Basically someone using something as a avatar that I find in poor taste isn't a big concern of mine.

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especially since it isnt that hard to just block someones avatar.

Theres a goofy concept, people deciding for themselves whats offensive and whats not, and then choosing to remove it from their life.

nah, that will never work, we clearly need someone higher up to decide all this for us, my brain is already way over taxed from watching reality TV and reading people magazine all day.

eviljeff 12-19-2005 10:44 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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nearly everyone uses firefox

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I think this is probably wrong.

Voltron87 12-19-2005 10:45 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

[/ QUOTE ]

is this what they teach u at CUNY?

ThaSaltCracka 12-19-2005 10:45 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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nearly everyone uses firefox

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I think this is probably wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]well then that needs to be fixed!!!!!!!Hurry up and download you neanderthals.

istewart 12-19-2005 10:46 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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especially since it isnt that hard to just block someones avatar.

Theres a goofy concept, people deciding for themselves whats offensive and whats not, and then choosing to post it on 2+2 without an NSFW warning.



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FYP

istewart 12-19-2005 10:47 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

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is this what they teach u at CUNY?

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ahahahah.

CCass 12-19-2005 10:47 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

[/ QUOTE ]

BINGO!!!

eviljeff 12-19-2005 10:47 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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nearly everyone uses firefox

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I think this is probably wrong.

[/ QUOTE ]well then that needs to be fixed!!!!!!!Hurry up and download you neanderthals.

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Safari fo' life, yo.

tonypaladino 12-19-2005 10:48 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

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is this what they teach u at CUNY?

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ahahahah.

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myabe you and voltron should go back to wacking each other off

istewart 12-19-2005 10:49 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

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is this what they teach u at CUNY?

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ahahahah.

[/ QUOTE ]

myabe you should avoid going Paulie Walnuts on random B&N customers

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FYP

wacki 12-19-2005 10:51 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
We are getting off track.

The point of the thread is to discuss if that cactus hates jews and those people with flags are racist.

Voltron87 12-19-2005 10:53 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

[/ QUOTE ]

is this what they teach u at CUNY?

[/ QUOTE ]

ahahahah.

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myabe you should avoid going Paulie Walnuts on random B&N customers

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

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LMAO

Blarg 12-19-2005 10:55 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
I thought the point was to get all the monkeys flinging dung.

Voltron87 12-19-2005 10:55 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
why isnt the mod forum transparent to everyone? seems like it should be.

Alobar 12-19-2005 10:56 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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We are getting off track.

The point of the thread is to discuss if that cactus hates jews and those people with flags are racist.

[/ QUOTE ]

Its like anything else. There is nothing inherently racist about any of it. Its how its used, and how its perceived.

12-19-2005 10:56 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
I'm looking to apply for a mod job to keep this forum as white as my baby's bottom. PM me wacki if you need extra help.

Peter666 12-19-2005 10:57 PM

Re: Controversy over symbols and racism .
 
Freedom of speech is such an outdated concept. We should all just be given avatars with retarded, elderly, black lesbians in wheelchairs.

Evan 12-19-2005 10:58 PM

Re: Controversy over symbols and racism .
 
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Also, there are several people that are claiming I don't know what I'm talking about when I say the Rebel Flag isn't about slavery.

Apparently they are offended by images like this:

[/ QUOTE ]
One of the people wacki is talking about is me.

Wacki, that flag doesn't offend me. People using the word [censored] doesn't offend me. There's not a whole lot in the world that offends me. You're completely off base here in assuming that my position ont eh flag has anything to do with personal emotiona pertaining to it.

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state legislature records from that time only talks about state rights, heritage, etc.

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Good call, since governments never lie. I used to really like your posts, but this whole flag issue has really shown me that you have no idea what you're talking about.

To rebut your certain reply, no it's not because you disagree with me. GutOnTilt has also disagreed with much of what I've said regarding the flag and we are still good friends. You have no opinion of your own. Everything you write is googled bs and it's pathetic.


Edit to note that I am VERY against bannign people for rebel flags, swastikas, ghost bumping, stupid polls and pretty much all the [censored] people get banned for each day.

TheRover 12-19-2005 10:58 PM

Re: Controversy over symbols and racism .
 
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There are people at 2+2 argueing that anyone using this symbol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cactuar
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9...actuar25zw.gif

is a racist.


[/ QUOTE ]

That's so [censored] hilarious. Both the picture and the text.

ddubois 12-19-2005 11:00 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

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I personally think this is BS. The claim that the war was about "states rights" is a bit of semantic munging to make the southern states sound slightly more noble than they actually were, perhaps as a means of mending fences between the two halves of the country.

tonypaladino 12-19-2005 11:02 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

[/ QUOTE ]
I personally think this is BS. The claim that the war was about "states rights" is a bit of semantic munging to make the southern states sound slightly more noble than they actually were, perhaps as a means of mending fences between the two halves of the country.

[/ QUOTE ]

Do your personal thoughts have any basis in fact?
Maybe you should read about the civil war and not rely on what you learned in 10th grade history class.

wacki 12-19-2005 11:02 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I thought the point was to get all the monkeys flinging dung.

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No, I don't want to have a dung fest. I made a mistake by emotionally charging the thread but I'm running off of very very little sleep and I'm engaged in a rather stupid debate.

Basically, the arguement is that anyone that uses that flag is a racist hiding under the cover of heritage. That includes the states of Mississippi, Florida, Arkansas, Georgia, and I would assume Dollywood.

ThaSaltCracka 12-19-2005 11:03 PM

Re: Controversy over symbols and racism .
 
whats the problem with the flag then?

Blarg 12-19-2005 11:04 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
All slave owners were against slavery, dincha know?

wacki 12-19-2005 11:05 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm looking to apply for a mod job to keep this forum as white as my baby's bottom. PM me wacki if you need extra help.

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Lets keep the mods out of this. I highly highly doubt mat will allow people to get banned for this stuff. Most of the people argueing this aren't even for banning. They just think anyone that sports a rebel flag is an inbred redneck racist.

Evan 12-19-2005 11:05 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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I made a mistake by emotionally charging the thread

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, you did.


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but I'm running off of very very little sleep and I'm engaged in a rather stupid debate.

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No one asked you to make this thread. You fvcked up, just admit it.

ThaSaltCracka 12-19-2005 11:05 PM

Re: So I guess some people think symbols/posters should be banned.
 
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Also, I don't see how the confederate flag represents slavery. The civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. Slavery was a side issue.

[/ QUOTE ]
I personally think this is BS. The claim that the war was about "states rights" is a bit of semantic munging to make the southern states sound slightly more noble than they actually were, perhaps as a means of mending fences between the two halves of the country.

[/ QUOTE ]

Do your personal thoughts have any basis in fact?
Maybe you should read about the civil war and not rely on what you learned in 10th grade history class.

[/ QUOTE ]I think you may have missed his point somewhat.


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