Bizarre event, how likely is this?
 

Hi, I played some poker yesterday and knew one player had QQ twice, then when I checked Poker Tracker I saw something bizarre, do you see it?

Party Poker (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, BB folds.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 calls 27.40 (All-In).

Final Pot:

Results: <font color="#0000FF">
UTG+1 has Qh Qc (three of a kind, queens).
MP2 has Ah Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins . </font>


36 hands later...


Party Poker (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">8 folds</font>.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks.

Final Pot:

Results: <font color="#0000FF">
BB has Kd 3d (two pair, nines and threes).
UTG+1 has Qd Qc (two pair, queens and nines).
Outcome: </font>


Question in white: <font color="#FFFFFF">
So the question is, how likely is it that a player get the same starthand in the same position and get the same flop twice in a session? (same except for different suits)</font>

-Hagel

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Ok, no answers, maybe it's to hard to solve. But here the question is again if someone has a clue:

How big is the chance that a player get QQ twice in the same position (UTG+1) in the same session and both times flop 963? (The session lasted about 90 hands.)

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This is absolute definitive proof that online poker software is all rigged.

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This is absolute definitive proof that online poker software is all rigged.

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This statement is just ridiculous. How can you say something so absurd?

This only proves that PartyPoker software is rigged. It has no implication about the other sites.

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This is absolute definitive proof that online poker software is all rigged.

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This statement is just ridiculous. How can you say something so absurd?

This only proves that PartyPoker software is rigged. It has no implication about the other sites.

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I got dealt J3o on three tables at once on Absolutepoker. That takes care of AP. Anybody else? I bet we can knock them all off tonight, and not have to worry about it ever again.

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These things happens, I usually see stuff like that too when I sometimes play two tables.

But this one is the craziest I've seen so far....would have been crazier though if all cards was in the same suit...then I would definetely emailed Party and ask what the h*lls going on [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I got dealt AK 5 times in a row on the same table once, different suits only one was suited

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I played a hand on Empire and lost to a guy that had pocket fours and the flop hit him hard for another pair of fours, I typed that he was a lucky one and that I never was that lucky. The next hand I was dealt pocket fours and then flopped quads. I guess Empire is rigged too.

Later in the session I got pocket AA and they won. That is when I knew for sure Empire was rigged.

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I've decided to lurk over from small stakes to see what people post here in Poker Theory. You guys don't believe online poker is 'rigged' do you?

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Totally wrong way of looking at it.

How many times have you played about 90 hands and that not happened?

Let me give you an analogy.

Let's say the chances of walking around a corner and bumping into someone you haven't seen for 40 years is about 2 million to one.

I imagine that you walk around billions of corners in your life.

Thus, although on any PARTICULAR occassion it would be weird to bump into said person but in your entire life it would be weird if you that 'coincidence' didn't happen.

Likewise with the poker. If you said, "what is the probability that within the next 90 hands , we get 2 hands where I get the same starting hand and the flop is identical, then the probability is very small.

However, the probability of this hapening within the space of 90 hands at some point is vitually certain because of the number of hands played.

In fact, if this never happened on PP where they are currently on hand number 3,070,044,011 then that would be better evidence of a fix.

Why fix it anyway? They take the rake, so what do they care?

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Also, if 100,000 people are currently on online poker sites, there is some small chance that some rare occurences will happen AND be seen by at least one player AND that player will then post on 2+2. Multiply those probabilities and you will have the probability that we get a thread like this one.

Back to LHE.

Mike

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pfft thats nothing.

I got AQo one hand with a flop of QJ9.

Next hand i got AQo

the flop. QJ9

On both hands there was a 2 flush on the flop as well!
Definately RIGGGED!

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I've decided to lurk over from small stakes to see what people post here in Poker Theory. You guys don't believe online poker is 'rigged' do you?

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how can you still doubt when something like this happens?

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I've had the same hand (different suits) two or three hands in a row on live and online tables on multiple occasions.

I've even had the same hand (different suits) on two different tables simultaneously (while multi-tabling) online.

Stuff like that happens.

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Playing in a home game I got dealt two black aces the very next hand I got the exact same black aces. Anyone looking at me would have pick up my tell because I looked at the color of the deck being played to make sure I didn't just keep my first two cards ;-).

Live poker is rigged too.

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Can't tell you what the odds are, but I bet they're less than the odds of flopping a royal flush. So if you ever see that you KNOW the site is rigged.

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agreed, report these situations immediately..




























































lol

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I played a hand on Empire and lost to a guy that had pocket fours and the flop hit him hard for another pair of fours, I typed that he was a lucky one and that I never was that lucky. The next hand I was dealt pocket fours and then flopped quads. I guess Empire is rigged too.

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Yeah that was pretty unlikely too with the quads, you gotta wonder [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Later in the session I got pocket AA and they won. That is when I knew for sure Empire was rigged.

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lol

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Totally wrong way of looking at it.

How many times have you played about 90 hands and that not happened?

Let me give you an analogy.

Let's say the chances of walking around a corner and bumping into someone you haven't seen for 40 years is about 2 million to one.

I imagine that you walk around billions of corners in your life.

Thus, although on any PARTICULAR occassion it would be weird to bump into said person but in your entire life it would be weird if you that 'coincidence' didn't happen.

Likewise with the poker. If you said, "what is the probability that within the next 90 hands , we get 2 hands where I get the same starting hand and the flop is identical, then the probability is very small.

However, the probability of this hapening within the space of 90 hands at some point is vitually certain because of the number of hands played.

In fact, if this never happened on PP where they are currently on hand number 3,070,044,011 then that would be better evidence of a fix.

Why fix it anyway? They take the rake, so what do they care?

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Yeah I know unlikely events happens all the time, just thought this was pretty special because of same player/pos/flop. And I thought it would be fun to know what the probability is.....but I guess it's to many variables and to complicated equation to solve.

For your info, I didn't say it was fixed/rigged or anything [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I got dealt AK 5 times in a row on the same table once, different suits only one was suited

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Wow, that's really unlikely.

To be dealt AK 3 times in a row is about 0.000181%

......5 times in a row...hmm....my computer calculator can't give a readable answer [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Last night on a $15 SNG I got AA first two hands and again on the 10th. Also got AKs twice in that span, a bunch of other good hands and KK right after. People at the table were freaking out.

Naturally I didn't even make the money.

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My favorite part of the post is where he puts the question that he wants answered in white..

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The other night I was watching the high stakes table at Full Tilt and a royal flush came on the board, in ORDER. T J Q K A of clubs. Someone said the odds of this happening are 1 in 70 some million.

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I love it when someone folds to a flop like that (royal flush).

Man, i have flopped quad queens every day for the last four days at stars ... i gotta leave, its rigged.

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I was dealt As Th on one hand.

The next hand I was dealt two uno cards.

Online poker is clearly rigged.

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Hi, I played some poker yesterday and knew one player had QQ twice, then when I checked Poker Tracker I saw something bizarre, do you see it?

Party Poker (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, BB folds.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 calls 27.40 (All-In).

Final Pot:

Results: <font color="#0000FF">
UTG+1 has Qh Qc (three of a kind, queens).
MP2 has Ah Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins . </font>


36 hands later...


Party Poker (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">8 folds</font>.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks.

Final Pot:

Results: <font color="#0000FF">
BB has Kd 3d (two pair, nines and threes).
UTG+1 has Qd Qc (two pair, queens and nines).
Outcome: </font>


Question in white: <font color="#FFFFFF">
So the question is, how likely is it that a player get the same starthand in the same position and get the same flop twice in a session? (same except for different suits)</font>

-Hagel

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POTY

Re: Bizarre event, how likely is this?
 

POTY

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you look hard enough at any random events and you can find small patterns and coincidences..

the most unusual card sequence that i've noticed online- I had 6 hands in a row on the same table with pocket pairs..

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The cutest thing on these forums happens when a n00b makes his
post here to get "pro" advice and finds his thread full of "strangers"
who share their experience. Anyone "journeyman" or higher can be
expected to post sarcastic reponses like mine. (This phenomenon is
even more amusing when the whole thread is strangers replying to
strangers ad nauseum!)

-ZEN

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What are the odds of someone not replying to this post?

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What are the odds of someone not replying to this post?

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About 0% I guess [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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OK, I'll chip in...

I played a hand tonight where three of us all flopped a set. Turn and river were running 3's to fill everyone up and set up a ginormous pot...guess who wound up with the 3rd-best hand. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Odds against that have to be just silly.

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I hit pocket Q's three hands in a row not too long ago. Lost two out of the three.