This guy is killing me...
 

This guy on the button just beat my pocket aces calling JTo 3 bets cold preflop (It's posted as "Gotta love action like this right?")

And now this...

Button is super loose, has played just about every hand and will go to the river with anything.

UTG has been Loose Aggressive Passive up to that point.

I'm sure you can guess the outcome but would you have done something different?

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (10 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

Bet el turn.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

Why do you bet the river but not the turn? On the turn you have no reason not to raise.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

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Why do you bet the river but not the turn? On the turn you have no reason not to raise.

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I had 3 guys call my flop raise and then the flush card hits, I guess you could say I was a little wary. I bet the river because it seemed like a blank and I likely had the best hand...

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

bet the turn, bet/call the river

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

*blind post*
3-bet or fold (I would 3-bet against LAG) preflop.
Definitely bet the turn.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

Flushes don't occur that often. This is an easy turn bet with position.

Button picked up a straight on the river.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

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Flushes don't occur that often. This is an easy turn bet with position.

Button picked up a straight on the river.

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My question is, does betting the turn punish an open ended straight draw at that point?

10 to 1 seems like odds are in his favorite to begin with, if he's gonna call anyway without knowing the odds are good what point is betting?

I guess my real question is, how does betting the turn in this position help my hand?

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

bet the turn for value man.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

Don't worry about punishing you probably have the most pot equity, thus you should bet, because every dollar in the pot increases how much money you make.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

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I guess my real question is, how does betting the turn in this position help my hand?


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It's a value bet... and it might scare off someone... but it's mainly a value bet

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

I reraise preflop, but why the hell do you check the turn?

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

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Why do you bet the river but not the turn? On the turn you have no reason not to raise.

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I had 3 guys call my flop raise and then the flush card hits, I guess you could say I was a little wary. I bet the river because it seemed like a blank and I likely had the best hand...

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Oh, you get scared by the flushcard, but then not by a card that makes a 4-straight?
I'm more worried about a straight than a flush.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

/grunch on

This looks like a pretty easy fold on the turn for me. If the LAG is indeed raising/calling with anything, having both the flush out there, plus the straight, plus that many people in the pot, your Top is beat.

/grunch off

edit: blah, i misread the OP. Here's the deal, you bet the turn. However I'm pretty sure that the button has the flush. I think he was checking for deception. If you bet that turn, I think he would raise you. If that is the case, I would fold.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

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Flushes don't occur that often. This is an easy turn bet with position.

Button picked up a straight on the river.

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My question is, does betting the turn punish an open ended straight draw at that point?

10 to 1 seems like odds are in his favorite to begin with, if he's gonna call anyway without knowing the odds are good what point is betting?

I guess my real question is, how does betting the turn in this position help my hand?

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Because it's +EV. If you have the best hand, which you probably do, and he's getting correct odds to call a bet with a drawing hand, checking is certainly +EV, because most of the time (&gt;50%) his draw will miss. But betting is _more_ +EV. You can calculate the EV for yourself.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

If you want to play this preflop I would 3-bet it. Otherwise just fold.

Bet the turn, bet/call the river, and take the suckout like a man [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Yesterday I had pocket pair make a set three times, only to have them all busted by a straight, then a flush, then a FH, all by the same person. That's a bad run there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

Balls to the Wall, have to go for it.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

reraise PF, bet the turn.

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

I play the flop the same. I bet this turn. My hand is strong, and no one got rowdy about the third spade. I bet / call on the river.

&lt;/GRUNCHING&gt;

Re: This guy is killing me...
 

Agreed u really need to bet the turn to protect ur hand. and even if they all call its not to bad sins no player shown any strenght by re-rasing. I think ur drawn out on the river so i would check this river and call a bet, to big pot to fold in.

GL // Dunno