Help with JJ
 

Playing 100-300 buy-in ring NL at a B&M indian casino buyin NL with 2-5 blind structure.

With 9 players, I am on the button preflop with JJ.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $20. MP1 is a loose aggressive player who was been raising 4x the big blind all night with A9, A10, AJ, KQ, KJ, K10, Q10, and other marginal hands.
MP2 (who is friends with MP1 and has been playing almost the same style(LAG)) all night calls.
MP3 folds.
LP1 and LP2 also call (both of these players are good tight agressive players).
Now it is my turn to act on the button with JJ and four players already in the pot for $20 dollars each.

Pot is at $80 and I have about $120 left in my stack. I decide I don't want to play JJ against 4 opponents and need to either raise or fold. Figuring that MP1 & MP2 have been raising preflop with marginal hands all night and that if LP1 or LP2 (both TAGs) did not reraise them I was probably in good position for a raise. But how much? Should I raise $40 of my $120 to see a flop and then decide either to push or fold? Should I push and try to win the pot right then? I decided that if I pushed I would probably get all to fold and win $200 with my $120 push or be going against two overcards from one of the MP(loose) players and be at least a 55-45 favorite to win $300 with my $120 push. I went ahead and pushed.

Did I play this correctly?
Am I being to aggressive preflop with JJ in this situation?
Would anyone recomend calling in this situation and if so how would I play it? Hope undercards flop and then push?

Thanks, Results are below in white
theDetroitKid

<font color="white"> I push allin.
MP1 (the original raiser calls).
The three others fold.
MP1 shows KQo

Flop: 7-6-6 (i cant remember suits, but they are unimportant)
Turn: 10
River: Q!

I lose and MP1 collects the 300 in the pot. </font>

Re: Help with JJ
 

I push here a % of the time approaching 100.

Re: Help with JJ
 

Given that you do not think you are against an overpair you have a situation where there is a TON of dead money in the pot AND you have the best hand

If you make a bet that is less than 'all-in' you will get an unfavorable flop almost 1/2 the time. This is an easy push.

-Steve

Re: Help with JJ
 

you have a short stack, around 24BB, and the players you consider good did not reraise the LAG's, so it's very likely your JJ is ahead. I agree that this is an easy push especially based on your short stack size, this is a near ideal situation to be in, with dead money in the pot when ppl fold.

Re: Help with JJ
 

There's always a chance that MP1 has a bigger overpair, so I wouldn't want to make this move with $250, but for the amount you had, all-in preflop is clearly the right move.

Re: Help with JJ
 

I push here 98/102 times. I would just like to point out however that saying your hand is a raise or fold is simply WRONG. Your hand is clearly worth a call here as it has alot of set value. Pocket 22s are worth a call here as well. However, its more profitable to simply push here with JJ than it is to call and see a flop.

Re: Help with JJ
 

I decide I don't want to play JJ against 4 opponents and need to either raise or fold.

I was going to mention the same thing tstonembd just mentioned. This is quote is just plain wrong. When you have pocket pairs, you WANT more players.

Re: Help with JJ
 

He just doesn't have enough of a stack to be playing a pair for set value. If he had $250 and was facing a $20 bet, flat call is much better.

22 is never worth calling for 1/6 of your stack IMO.

Re: Help with JJ
 

hes getting 4.5:1 odds and its 1/7 of his stack not 1/6.

Re: Help with JJ
 

It's a high-variance, low-EV (at best) call to try to spike a set without a sufficient stack to back it if it hits.

Ciaffone refers to the "rule of 5 and 10": if it's less than 5% of your stack to call a raise with a speculative, "I'll bust this guy if I hit" hand, then go for it; if it's more than 10% of your stack, then it's a clear fold, and in between is a gray area. I've found this a very helpful guideline.

In this case, it's 15% of his stack to call, so a hand like JJ is best played not as a drawing hand but as a big pair.

(With a short stack, a big pair is EXACTLY what you want to pick up, since you can just play it hard preflop and on the flop and give no one the odds to draw out on you with speculative hands of their own.)