Checkraise declared out of turn - could I consider this binding?
 

A question out of pure curiosity - Al and other dealers help me out here:

I'm in the 20/40 at the Borg, and seated 2 to my right is a complete maniac.

3 limpers before the maniac, the maniac limps, I raise from the cutoff with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3 callers, the maniac limp reraises, and I bust a cap up into that mother [censored].

The flop comes 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

The 3 limpers check, the maniac looks at me and says "I check, and I am going to check-raise you." I check behind.

I was planning to check behind anyway, since I had completely missed the flop, the pot was multiway, and the board was low and highly coordinated. Out of curiosity, could I have held him to this checkraise declaration? He really was going to checkraise, as he had flopped bottom 2 pair [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img], but suppose that someone uses this tactic as a means of scaring the preflop aggressor into giving a free card. Would the action be binding?

Re: Checkraise declared out of turn - could I consider this binding?
 

No, that wouldn't be binding unless he said "check raise or raise" after you made a bet. In that round of betting, his turn is over. He could say "all in" for all anyone could care, it's not going to be binding. It's a grey area, but I doubt it would be.

Re: Checkraise declared out of turn - could I consider this binding?
 

i've heard people do this.. it's their action on the flop and they say "i checkraise" with a smile.. usually they end up doing it, but i highly doubt it's binding

Re: Checkraise declared out of turn - could I consider this binding?
 

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i've heard people do this.. it's their action on the flop and they say "i checkraise" with a smile.. usually they end up doing it, but i highly doubt it's binding

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Yes, this is not uncommon, but it is a bit annoying. Although I'm sure the maniac in the aforementioned hand was ready to cap the flop with his 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: Checkraise declared out of turn - could I consider this binding?
 

I did this in a home game with my friends. They were not bothered by it(I actually check/folded), but I did receive a firm warning from the cat.

Re: Checkraise declared out of turn - could I consider this binding?
 

I don't even consider this to be action out of turn, I consider this to be nothing more than table talk.

Examples:

Player announces "raise" and/or throws out chips when it is not yet his turn to act --- this action out of turn. Presumably because he does not realize that it is not his turn yet.

Player knowing that it is not yet his turn, looks at player whose turn it is, and says "be careful I'm going to raise." This is not action this is just table chatter.

Re: Checkraise declared out of turn - could I consider this binding?
 

As a general rule this won't be binding. It's basically just table talk. Although action out of turn MAY be binding, this isn't really a situation where you would apply that rule.

al

Re: Checkraise declared out of turn - could I consider this binding?
 

One player who frequents this forum has been heard to say "check with the intention of raising." Clearly not binding.