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GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Sweet Willie!

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brett,

the comparison isn't as absurd as you make it out to be. Dwight's '85 was better than anything Koufax did.

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Yeah, my reaction was mainly a response to Gooden's "extra curricular" activites, rather than his career. Re; 1985, has anyone had a better year?

I dont' really know enough about either player to say either way, I was just surprised is all.

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brett,

the comparison isn't as absurd as you make it out to be. Dwight's '85 was better than anything Koufax did.

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Yeah, my reaction was mainly a response to Gooden's "extra curricular" activites, rather than his career. Re; 1985, has anyone had a better year?

I dont' really know enough about either player to say either way, I was just surprised is all.

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Pedro in 2000?

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GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Sweet Willie!

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For a second (Just a second, mind you), I thought you called Will Clark "Sweet Willie".

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brett,

the comparison isn't as absurd as you make it out to be. Dwight's '85 was better than anything Koufax did.

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Sorry, but the comparison is absurd.
Gooden had one great year and a handful of other good years.
To get in the hall with a career as short as Koufax had, a player must be truely spectacular. Koufax achieved this by throwing 4 no hittters and allowing only 6 earned runs in 57 IP in world series play. By contrast, Gooden gave up 8 earned runs in 9 IP in his world series appearance.
Koufax career ERA is better by 3 quarters of a run, and most importantly Koufax had his career cut short by circumstances beyond his control. To compare Koufax 12 year career which would have likely been prolonged by modern medicine to Goodens 16 year stint, the latter half of which was mediocre at best, is absurd.
If the HOF inducted players on the basis of one or two great years, then Roger Maris would have made it a long time ago. Gooden has no shot.

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Bert Blyleven has everything on his resume besides WS Rings. That he's not in, and continues to get less run than guys like Jack Morris befuddles me.

Alan Trammell is a victim of being a complete shortstop in the 80s, as opposed to the new complete shortstop of the late 90s/2000s. He's in my top 10 list of all time shortstops.

Rich Gossage is eminently deserving, and has been for some time. Bruce Sutter is slightly less so. Tommy John is below Blyleven, but deserves entry, IMO.

Speaking of Tommy John, when is Dr. Frank Jobe going to get in the Hall? I can't think of one single off the field "incident" that has impacted baseball more than the ligament transplant surgery that Jobe first performed on John. He belongs in the Hall of Fame as a contributor.

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Koufax career ERA is better by 3 quarters of a run

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Gee, that's easy to do when you pitch in the new deadball era.

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I think the WS argument suffers from major sample-size issues.

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I think the WS argument suffers from major sample-size issues.

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No one gets in based on WS numbers alone, but it is a factor that can push an otherwise close decision over the threshold.
In the case of Morris, it takes an otherwise mediocre career and brings it close. Morris biggest weakness is that he would have the worst ERA of any pitcher in the hall, and voters don't want to be viewed as lowering the standards of the hall.

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brett,

the comparison isn't as absurd as you make it out to be. Dwight's '85 was better than anything Koufax did.

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Yeah, my reaction was mainly a response to Gooden's "extra curricular" activites, rather than his career. Re; 1985, has anyone had a better year?

I dont' really know enough about either player to say either way, I was just surprised is all.

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Pedro in 2000?

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Pedro in 1999.