4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

***** Hand History for Game 2542273441 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14875806 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, August 15, 22:32:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 15095 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: krAzyAnyway ( $1290 )
Seat 2: FrankieYale ( $4795 )
Seat 4: fredexley ( $1130 )
Seat 5: RamOnTilt ( $785 )
Trny:14875806 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fredexley [ Ac Kd ]
>You have options at Table 15097 Table!.
krAzyAnyway folds.
FrankieYale is all-In [4795]
>You have options at Table 15259 Table!.
fredexley?

Villain had been diligently pushing his entire stack in whenever given the chance. CrAzy had just doubled through him with KK against QT. I have no problem calling here with Ak although maybe it isn't as trvial as I had thought . Does anybody want to suggest a "good" range for a call here?

Re: 4 handed, bitg stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

this seems like an extremely easy call to me. you're basically in a 3 way tie for last chip position and the big stack is exploiting that. you just said he pushed QT earlier. no chance you're behind and very likely you're ahead. your calling range here should be very wide. id say Ak-AT AA-88 autocalls, many other hands also worth considering.
you're going to have to double up eventually against him and the sooner you do it, the sooner you can start bullying the other two players.

Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

I was the big stack, did I manage not to finish ITM as usual when I go into bully mode?
Anyways, im obviously pushing a huge range here, still I think its a fold with AKo, very close though.

Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

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Anyways, im obviously pushing a huge range here, still I think its a fold with AKo, very close though.

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how can you possibly reconcile those two statements?
it's a call and it isnt close.

Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

agreed I think you have to call here there isnt anyone short enough to make this a fold

Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

Clear call.

Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

This is a fold (by ICM) and a pretty clear one at that. If you were in the BB you would have to call, but not here since the short stack will be down to 585 if he folds. You could also call if the raiser had less chips (say 2500), but a loss wouldn't even faze him at this point and you can't vault yourself into the lead by winning this pot.

Brad

Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

according to Eastbays programm a good range here is QQ+, im pretty sure its very wrong to call with 88 A10 etc here. Obviously at the 20s lots of people call with way worse hands than that, which makes me wonder if it should make my pushing range tighter? Or do I just have to live with it and be happy the times im in the BB in this situation and see somebody call?

Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

didnt realize the bb was also the shortest of the 3, allow me to amend my hand range. 99+, AQ+.

Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK
 

folding this is playing for 3rd. dont do that. i cant believe im reading this many arguments for folding.

shillx, i saw in another post you said your roi on 22s was like 15%. it'd probably be a lot higher if you were making these calls.