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asdf1234 01-10-2005 06:50 AM

Peel one off?
 
Opponent is TAG with a tendency to play too aggressively postflop.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero...

wuarhg 01-10-2005 07:18 AM

Re: Peel one off?
 
calls

Vern 01-10-2005 07:19 AM

Re: Peel one off?
 
I think I peel one off getting 8.5:1 to the straight. I only have to make up 3 sb on two rounds of big bets to break even and if he overplay's his hand post flop that should be more than possible. The only thing I raise is a non [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] jack on the turn, I will call that down though. If a non-Jack falls on the turn I am not continuing.

GoblinMason (Craig) 01-10-2005 09:37 AM

Re: Peel one off?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think I peel one off getting 8.5:1 to the straight. I only have to make up 3 sb on two rounds of big bets to break even and if he overplay's his hand post flop that should be more than possible. The only thing I raise is a non [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] jack on the turn, I will call that down though. If a non-Jack falls on the turn I am not continuing.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why would you not raise the j [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? If villain is a tag there really isn't a hand that he would have that would make give him a flush draw. Think of the hands a TAG would 3bet with: TT-AA AKs/o. TT-AA aren't making a flush and since the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is on the board...

You should definitely raise the turn if the J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] comes. Even if the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] wasn't there not raising the turn HU would be incredibly weak tight just because of a third spade. You're missing even more based on Hero's read that this TAG is too agresive postflop.

-Craig

Vern 01-10-2005 09:59 AM

Re: Peel one off?
 
You're right of course, but mostly about the fact I tend to get weak/tight when not properly exposed as such on the boards. Thanks, its all good [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Vern

StellarWind 01-10-2005 12:25 PM

Re: Peel one off?
 
Easy call, you will get paid nicely if you hit your straight and you have some extras:

1. An ace or even a queen may win.

2. He may give you a free card on the turn. This overaggressive player could easily have a medium pocket, AQ, or even AJ. He may get scared to bet trash into this dangerous board.

Walk away when you miss the turn.

asdf1234 01-10-2005 05:50 PM

Results
 
I decided to peel one off and caught a J. I c/r the turn and bet the river and was paid off by AK.

Trix 01-10-2005 07:46 PM

Re: Results
 
what hands do you think he 3bets the turn with if you CR and what hands will he raise if you bet out ?

Derek in NYC 01-10-2005 08:07 PM

why check the flop?
 
I bet this flop heads up, even against a TAG, and fold to a raise. You stand an OK chance of getting QQ (6 hands) or JJ (6 hands) to lie down, you're way behind AK (12), AA (3), or KK (6). I dont think you have odds to draw, and a flop bet defines your hand quickly (unless he smooth calls you). At least by betting the flop you have a chance of winning on the spot.

asdf1234 01-10-2005 08:13 PM

Re: why check the flop?
 
If I bet and get raised, I certainly can't fold, as I now have odds to draw for the gutshot.


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