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08-19-2005 11:18 PM

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-Skeme- 08-19-2005 11:22 PM

Re: Rickson Gracie and UFC
 
Rickson is a wuss and a liar. He claims he's 400-0, even though he took a loss to some guy in a Sambo tournament back in the day. He won't fight anybody. He wouldn't fight Sak after Sak completely chumped his entire family in the ring. He counts sparring, street fights, training, etc. as legitimate wins for his record.

KDawgCometh 08-19-2005 11:29 PM

Re: Rickson Gracie and UFC
 
Rickson has been out of competition for way too long to be anything more then a buy-rate pop for either Pride or UFC right now. 15 years ago he would be one of the top players at his weight class. His submission skill is better then Nog, but really I can't see how many people can beat Fedor right now. His wrestling is amazing and his hands are extremely heavy. I don't think that Rickson would beat Fedor, but of course it doesn't take much to slip in a choke or find someone in an armbar if you position them right

08-19-2005 11:37 PM

Re: Rickson Gracie and UFC
 
I saw some of the Pride fighters on Fox Sports Net tonight and they look twice as big as most of the guys in the UFC. They make Chuck Liddell look like a joke. Some guy named Nikolov or something has a deadly kick that knocks people out.

Army Eye 08-20-2005 12:13 AM

Re: Rickson Gracie and UFC
 
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I saw some of the Pride fighters on Fox Sports Net tonight and they look twice as big as most of the guys in the UFC. They make Chuck Liddell look like a joke. Some guy named Nikolov or something has a deadly kick that knocks people out.

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Mirko Filipovic is the guy with the kick of extreme agonizing death.

Yes, fighters in Pride are much better than their UFC counterparts. The sport is much more popular than Japan than it is here, thus there is more money in it there, so the elite fighters end up over there. Sadly, most UFC fighters get paid peanuts.

Luzion 08-20-2005 12:33 AM

Re: Rickson Gracie and UFC
 
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Mirko Filipovic is the guy with the kick of extreme agonizing death.

Yes, fighters in Pride are much better than their UFC counterparts. The sport is much more popular than Japan than it is here, thus there is more money in it there, so the elite fighters end up over there. Sadly, most UFC fighters get paid peanuts.

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Pride is also a lot more fun to watch, though I cant really put my finger on why it is.

Rev. Good Will 08-20-2005 12:41 AM

Re: Rickson Gracie and UFC
 
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Mirko Filipovic is the guy with the kick of extreme agonizing death.

Yes, fighters in Pride are much better than their UFC counterparts. The sport is much more popular than Japan than it is here, thus there is more money in it there, so the elite fighters end up over there. Sadly, most UFC fighters get paid peanuts.

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Pride is also a lot more fun to watch, though I cant really put my finger on why it is.

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because UFC fighters all have the same boxer/wrestler background, doing meh kickboxing(though mostly just punching), and basic ground-n-pound style for ground fighting?

hoyaboy1 08-20-2005 12:45 AM

Re: Rickson Gracie and UFC
 
Some reasons Pride is more exciting, IMO:

1 - better fighters
2 - no cage means it's harder to lay and pray
3 - more standups of lay and pray
4 - judging focuses on trying to finish the fight, not lay and pray
5 - knees and kicks to guys on the ground are allowed

robokop 08-20-2005 12:45 AM

Re: Rickson Gracie and UFC
 
Pride lacks the cage which makes the ground fighting better.
Pride also has red cards, or whatever color they are, which deduct 10% of a fighter's pay for inactivity during the fight.
Also, Pride allows stomps to the head of a downed opponent.
Plus, the fighters are just plain better.

KDawgCometh 08-20-2005 12:46 AM

Re: Rickson Gracie and UFC
 
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Pride is also a lot more fun to watch, though I cant really put my finger on why it is.

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I think one reason is in pride if you get a yellow card you get money taken out of your payment, so the fights are very geared towards action


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