Terminology -- \'full\' v. \'over\'
 

Silly question, but to solve a debate:

"Aces over 2s" is a full house or 2 pair?
"Aces full" is a full house?

Basically, are "over" and "full" the same thing?

Re: Terminology -- \'full\' v. \'over\'
 

I have heard people use "over" for both, which is why I never use the term. Aces full is definitely a full house containing three Aces. For clarity, I suggest using "Aces up" for two pair and "Aces full" for a full house.

Re: Terminology -- \'full\' v. \'over\'
 

I'm only aware of hearing "over" for pairs and "full" for houses. Haven't heard AAA "over" 22 used, myself...

"up" and "over" tend to be the same thing (for pairs), in my experience.

Re: Terminology -- \'full\' v. \'over\'
 

Ditto everything Andy said...

The Correct Answer
 

The term "over" means two pair. The term "full" means a full house.

In your example, "Aces over Deuces" means two-pair, aces and deuces. The reason is because someone else may also have two pair which contain the other pair of aces. Aces over sixes beat aces over deuces. Therefore, the second pair becomes critical in deciding who wins the hand.

The term "Aces full" means a full house containing 3 aces. It doesn't matter what the pair is since no one else can have a full house containing 3 aces. Some players state: "Aces full of fives" meaning a full house containing 3 aces and 2 fives. But this is completely unnecessary.

Re: The Correct Answer
 

The term "Aces full" means a full house containing 3 aces. It doesn't matter what the pair is since no one else can have a full house containing 3 aces.

This is not the case in a community card game. I use "full" to indicate a full house and "up" to indicate two pair. Regardless of what is "correct"... some people use "over" to mean two pair and other use it to mean a full house... so I avoid the term completely.

Re: The Correct Answer
 

I guess Jim's never played hold'em. [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Re: The Correct Answer
 

Maybe we can all pitch in and buy him a book.


Stu

Re: The Correct Answer
 

Much of our terminology is borrowed from the days of draw poker and stud poker. I was not aware that anyone had changed it. Perhaps someone should look up these terms in Michael Weisenberg's (?) "Poker Dictionary".

Re: The Correct Answer
 

The Michael Wiesenberg poker dictionary agrees with Jim Brier's comments. However in my four decades of playing poker I have often heard the term used both ways, by both players & dealers.

BTW, Jim,

I'm not sure I understand your comment about two players both not having, say Aces full. What about in Hold'em when there are three Aces on board. Two players are left in the hand on the river. Both have pocket pairs (not relating to anything on the board). Don't they both have Aces full?


And what about in Follow the Queen......Oh, I won't even go there :-)


Best of Luck

H.B.