Re: vegas trip report and hand
 

Against Viffer, you call here. Prevaricator had an interesting hand against him at turning stone a few months ago... maybe he'd share. actually wasnt very interesting, just hilarious.

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Against Viffer, you call here. Prevaricator had an interesting hand against him at turning stone a few months ago... maybe he'd share. actually wasnt very interesting, just hilarious.

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hmm, what did viffer look like?
maybe i have a hand vs him.

Re: vegas trip report and hand
 

boo, trip report sucks, we need sentences like: "So then this coked out stripper invites me to a porn party..." or soemthing.

As for the hand, given your description, why not check river? Villain will bet worse hands certainly more than he will bluff raise, no?

Re: vegas trip report and hand
 

Unfortunately you need to call the river raise based on the information we have about this guy Viffer.

That said, I really would prefer a check/call on the river. He is going to bluff with almost any hand on the river and pretty much only the queen is beating you. He is not checking behind most hands on the turn.

The beauty of the check/call is that you're not in this position of having to call the raise. He probably fires the pot (300 or so) with AK, AJ, AT, A9, Q9, 56, 23o, etc - that's how these games work. I am calling any pot (non-overbet) on the river. I think it's a much better line, and you do not have to worry about calling a raise for effectively the same amount of money.

Ezra

Re: vegas trip report and hand
 

for those of you advocating a check on the river to let Viffer "bet worse hands", please tell me what hands worse than TT does Viffer call with on a 944 board and then bet on the river....I think a check by Turnip lets off a hand like a 9....of course, as Matt said, just betting the turn for value is an option, but at the same time, Viffer might fold a 9 on the turn (or raise) but call a big bet on the river thinking he's picking off a suspicious bet (especially if he's thus far thought turnip might be the goofing-type).....

Re: vegas trip report and hand
 

Given the history between the two, viffer wouldn't bet A9 on the river, thinking it's for value?

Re: vegas trip report and hand
 

I think Viffer checks behind with a 9, especially after checking the turn....

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It doesn't look like turnip missed and just made a continuation bet with AK on flop? if turnip bets flop, checks turn, checks river, I know I bet this a lot of the time, most think they are betting for value...am i way off? Maybe it's the online talking, flop bet, call, turn check check, river check is normally a very weak holding.

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It doesn't look like turnip missed and just made a continuation bet with AK on flop?

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I definitely agree with you, but that's why Viffer will just check behind if he thinks his 9 is good, especially after a Q just popped up, because he knows Turnip isn't gonna CALL with AK....online it might be a good value bet, in this game it's not....

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for those of you advocating a check on the river to let Viffer "bet worse hands", please tell me what hands worse than TT does Viffer call with on a 944 board and then bet on the river....I think a check by Turnip lets off a hand like a 9....of course, as Matt said, just betting the turn for value is an option, but at the same time, Viffer might fold a 9 on the turn (or raise) but call a big bet on the river thinking he's picking off a suspicious bet (especially if he's thus far thought turnip might be the goofing-type).....

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duh, viffer called with 3 high on the flop looking to outplay hero.