Re: Did I get slowrolled here?
 

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I see what you're saying. Check the turn and see what he does, because people are more inclined to play an Ace. That said, do you fold a river push after that?

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Absent of a read, yea I would like to think I could get away from my hand at that point, but who knows (that's why you shouldn't post results [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

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Heh, even *I* know that. But this post would be pretty pointless without the results, I thought. Thanks for your analysis!

Re: Did I get slowrolled here?
 

Nah, I don't see anything wrong in his acting. If he used 20 seconds to call, I would be pissed at him since that don't make a difference, but if he is stalling 20 secs if he thinks that will make you call another 3k, then I would do that aswell.

Re: Did I get slowrolled here?
 

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I see what you're saying. Check the turn and see what he does next street, because people are more inclined to play an Ace. That said, do you fold a river push after that?

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He'll likely value bet a smaller amount on the river if the turn is check check. You still have to call a river all-in, it's just less likely he'll push, and you'll probably save some chips if you're behind, plus your turn check gives him more incentive to bluff on the river with a hand that you do beat...

JMO

Re: Did I get slowrolled here?
 

Too funny - i'm reading this thread when this hand happens in the $3r i'm in right now...

PokerStars Game #3303504525: Tournament #15977203, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/12/11 - 11:25:41 (ET)
Table '15977203 7' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: jcast (7923 in chips)
Seat 2: Mystery5332 (9916 in chips)
Seat 3: RockyMtnMike (21620 in chips)
Seat 4: ExtremeKid (9728 in chips)
Seat 5: scottjf8 (8249 in chips)
Seat 6: Martinibianc (47250 in chips)
Seat 7: zippers (21710 in chips)
Seat 8: Annette (33803 in chips)
Seat 9: sitation (3930 in chips)
jcast: posts the ante 25
Mystery5332: posts the ante 25
RockyMtnMike: posts the ante 25
ExtremeKid: posts the ante 25
scottjf8: posts the ante 25
Martinibianc: posts the ante 25
zippers: posts the ante 25
Annette: posts the ante 25
sitation: posts the ante 25
jcast: posts small blind 200
Mystery5332: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to scottjf8 [As Tc]
RockyMtnMike: folds
ExtremeKid: folds
scottjf8: folds
Martinibianc: folds
zippers: raises 400 to 800
Annette: folds
sitation: folds
jcast: folds
Mystery5332: raises 1200 to 2000
zippers: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ah 5s]
Mystery5332: checks
zippers: bets 19685 and is all-in
Thinks for about 15 seconds
Mystery5332: calls 7891 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Jd Ah 5s] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Jd Ah 5s Qs] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mystery5332: shows [Ad Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
zippers: shows [7c Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
Mystery5332 collected 20207 from pot

Re: Did I get slowrolled here?
 

people play more than one table at a time. this may be the case here. and since he was trying to convince you that he was "bluffing," its not really a slowroll. its not even really unethical at all. although barry greenstein may not agree.

Re: Did I get slowrolled here?
 

Of course you can slowroll online. Like the examples above, I pushed KcQc on a AcAXXX board in a large MTT. My opponent used his entire timebank before calling. I was certain he's gonna show three of a kind. He flipped over AA, and I yelled at him for slowrolling.

He thought I meant slowplaying. After 2 minuets of "intelligent" table chat, he actually did the unthinkable and said he was sorry.

Using your timebank to bet the nuts isn't slowrolling, it's just stupid. If this was live, you had a better case (for example - BarryG's hand in the PLO tourny, where he accused his opponent for taking 10 minutes to re-raise with the nuts on the river)