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12-23-2005 12:15 PM

Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
Daniel Negreanu starts off his blog today with the following

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There is an old saying that goes, "A good hold'em player makes for a good poker player, while a good stud player makes for a good stud player."


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WFT? Is this true? Has anyone ever heard this "old saying" before, or is DN just an other HE-centric player?

Anyway, I'd be interested in other's opinions.

Roland 12-23-2005 12:30 PM

Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
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"A good hold'em player makes for a good poker player

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= A good holdem player makes for a good stud player.

No.

Andy B 12-23-2005 12:42 PM

Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
Well, I don't think you're going to find too many people who agree with that on this forum. I'm mostly a stud and stud/8 player, but I play hold'em and Omaha/8 well enough that I can get the money in good games. I'm playing badugi for the first time right now. I have no idea what I'm doing, but the early returns are pretty good.

On the other hand, I know a lot of very good hold'em players who just got pummeled when stud/8 got hot in my local room a few years ago, and again when Omaha/8 got hot for a while. I actually think that someone is a hold'em player first would be more inclined to specialize than someone who specializes in stud. The hold'em player is always able to find a game. The stud or Omaha player isn't.

BeerMoney 12-23-2005 12:45 PM

Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
I've been playing some hold 'em recently and doing quite well. I find these games to be easier. I think hand reading in hold 'em is much easier.

TheSalche 12-23-2005 01:13 PM

Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
I don't know how much I agree with this. I'm playing more hold'em right now than stud, but after playing hold'em, then omaha then stud, I think stud is a lot more helpful to limit hold'em than omaha is. Many plays such as raising to get a free card, etc. crossover easily.

Now I think its fair to say a good stud player does not necessarily equal a good NL hold'em player (and vice versa).

TheSalche 12-23-2005 02:50 PM

Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
Here's a quote from Johnny Moss that's kind of insulting ...

"Hold em is to stud what chess is to checkers. "

Found it there: http://www.launchpoker.com/poker_fun/quotations/

greenage 12-23-2005 03:19 PM

Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
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Here's a quote from Johnny Moss that's kind of insulting ...

"Hold em is to stud what chess is to checkers. "

Found it there: http://www.launchpoker.com/poker_fun/quotations/

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I donít have it here at work, but in 7CSFAP, donít they say that 7 Card Stud is the most difficult form of poker?

Andy B 12-23-2005 03:24 PM

Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
Well, Moss said a lot of things. I think he has it backwards.

12-23-2005 03:42 PM

Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
stud made me instnatly good at hold em when the boom came. and when i seriously wanted to be good at stud it improved my hold em game.

It improved my limit holdem more than anything.

12-23-2005 06:26 PM

Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)
 
I don't play that high (4-8, 6-12), but I have trouble believing that HE is a more challenging game, on a purely mechanical level. In stud, there are so many cards to keep track of, so many different draws and hand ranges to consider, different potential "best" hands for each opponent, more outs to keep track of...

In HE, there are relatively few cards exposed, and there are tracking tools, data bases and software to help players out, but I don't think such programs would help as much with stud, given the hidden cards and bigger boards. On any HE board, it's obvious to a squirrel what the nuts are, and what your outs are. Not so in stud.

I know I'm not yet a good poker player, but I didn't become a winning HE player until I got serious about stud. I think it makes for good general poker mental exercise.


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