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Benman 10-13-2005 10:48 PM

What I just learned about gravity
 
I'm a fairly educated person, but not a scientist by any stretch. I don't understand relativity, but I know that it explains the effect of gravity on light, and that prior theories explain the basic effects of gravity very accurately. After looking around on the Internet today, however, I as amazed to read that no one has any idea how gravity actually operates, or what it is. Is this right? How can this be? I'm kinda blown away that such a ubiquitous concept is actually a complete mystery.

lightw1thoutheat 10-14-2005 02:08 AM

Re: What I just learned about gravity
 
read some stuff about einstein's general theory of relativity to see how gravity is interpreted in macro terms.

(the combining of the 3 spacial dimensions we know and one dimension of time to get a "fabric" of space time- think of a bowling ball, ie planet, on a stretched out bedsheet)

quantum gravity is very tricky on the other hand. i think string theory has some interesting theories about gravity, (ie gravitons, closed loop strings which may be able to leave our three dimensions and enter a third dimension) but im really no expert. im sure someone with more of a quantum physics bckgd can give a better insight about gravity.

if you like this stuff but not all the technical jargon, id recommend picking up some books by dr michio (sp) kaku. he has a great mind for explaining these things to non physics majors.

also, this website, actually a pbs documentary about string theory that you can watch streaming, talks about gravity a bit, and it is broken into a number of small chapters.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program_d.html


-light

10-14-2005 02:16 AM

Re: What I just learned about gravity
 
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I'm a fairly educated person, but not a scientist by any stretch. I don't understand relativity, but I know that it explains the effect of gravity on light, and that prior theories explain the basic effects of gravity very accurately. After looking around on the Internet today, however, I as amazed to read that no one has any idea how gravity actually operates, or what it is. Is this right? How can this be? I'm kinda blown away that such a ubiquitous concept is actually a complete mystery.

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To be more specific, the current theory of gravity makes as much sense as the classical theory of electromagnetism (Maxwell's equations). The difference is this: we now have a quantum theory of electromagnetism, and it is understood as a gauge theory (like the strong and weak nuclear forces). This shows a "deeper understanding" of the theory, in some sense.

Gravity, it turns out, is difficult to quantize -- nobody has succeeded yet. Also, since other theories (like electromagnetism) are quantized on a given, background spacetime, they are somewhat easier to understand. Gravity, however, is the study of spacetime itsself -- thus there are some immediate interpretational issues. Does it make sense to specify a background spacetime, and then quantize gravity as perturbations about the background? Apparently, it does not -- approaches like this have failed, giving rise to infinities that destroy the theory's predictive power. But if you take away the background -- what are the variables of the theory? "x" and "t" no longer make sense as "locations in spacetime" since you have done away with the background! How, then, do you start without a background, and end up with one at the end of the day? This is a very real problem for people working in the field -- nobody knows how to answer that question...


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