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12-08-2005 10:47 AM

NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
This hand has been bugging me for the last day or so. The more I think about it, the less I like my line. No secific reads on villian as he was relatively new to the table.


Pokerroom NL 100

Table 'Vaesteras': $1-$1 No Limit HE (Real Money)
Seat 0: KurtDog ($75.10 in chips)
Seat 1: xxx Hannibal ($82.90 in chips)
Seat 3: batho ($73.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Jimmytrips ($37 in chips)
Seat 5: dregal ($194.75 in chips)
Seat 6: nveak1775 ($4.25 in chips)
Seat 7: EddyTbone ($43.50 in chips)
Seat 8: I Gotta Push ($96 in chips)
Seat 9: cpope2312 ($92 in chips) (on the button)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to dregal: 7d
Dealt to dregal: 8d
KurtDog : Post Blind ($0.50)
xxx Hannibal : Post Blind ($1)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
batho : Call ($1)
Jimmytrips : Fold
dregal : Call ($1)
nveak1775 : Fold
EddyTbone : Call ($1)
I Gotta Push : Fold
cpope2312 : Call ($1)
KurtDog : Fold
xxx Hannibal : Check
*** Flop *** : 9d 7c 6h
xxx Hannibal : Bet ($2)
batho : Fold
dregal : Raise ($8)
EddyTbone : Fold
cpope2312 : Fold
xxx Hannibal : Raise ($12)
dregal : Call ($6)
*** Turn *** : [ 9d 7c 6h ] 2d
xxx Hannibal : Bet ($10)
dregal : Call ($10)
*** River *** : [ 9d 7c 6h 2d ] 4s
xxx Hannibal : Bet ($10)
dregal : Raise ($40)
xxx Hannibal : Call ($30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $131.50 | Rake: $2
Board: [ 9d 7c 6h 2d 4s ]

xxx Hannibal Shows [ 8s 10h ] (a straight, ten high.)

dregal shows [ 7d 8d ] (a pair of sevens.)

dregal lost $65
xxx Hannibal bet $65, collected $131.50, net $66.50

P.S. Can someone PM me and tell me where I can find the "convereter" - I would like to be able to post hands thay way. Thanks in advance.

djoyce003 12-08-2005 10:52 AM

Re: NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
follow the link given in a hand history post of someone else....check out my AA post and there is a link supplied by the converter in the post itself.

12-08-2005 12:16 PM

Re: NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
Thanks for the link to the covereter.

Judging by the lack of responses, maybe my line isn't so bad. Teh 2 questiosn I really had were:

1) Is it better to raise the turn when my draw got stronger?

2) Does my river raise look too much like a missed draw? Now, there is obviously no way this would work in this case b/c villian has a made hand. But against a weaker holding, can this line work?

12-08-2005 12:22 PM

Re: NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
I have to fold to that rerasise, it's a bad situation.

Cambraceres

4_2_it 12-08-2005 12:39 PM

Re: NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
Fold to the flop re-raise. He's not trying to price out draws, he's building a pot. Donk bet followed by 3-bet usually means "Go ahead with that 4-bet push partner, I'm ready to collect your chips"

nietzreznor 12-08-2005 12:52 PM

Re: NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
Personally, I wouldn't fold the flop, since his 3-bet is so small. if you didn't have the backdoor diamond draw, I'd be more inclined to let it go.

Turn is fine, I don't like a raise here because our fold equity is really bad--villain's play is a big hand a high percentage of the time.

River, why are you raising? He clearly has a hand, you can't bluff him off this and your hand is almost certainly worse, just fold.

deaders 12-08-2005 12:56 PM

Re: NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
Why are you putting so much money in with 2nd pair bad kicker and a pretty weak draw?

12-08-2005 01:43 PM

Re: NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
At the time I wasn't sure that he had such a big hand. I keep seeing people make these smallish bets relative to the pot with marginal hands (i.e top pair) at this level. In retrospect, I guess the fact that he bet again on the river should have made it clear that he had a good hand.

If villian has something like 2 pair and not str8, does my river raise look any better? Or does it reek to much of a missed draw and get called more often than not. Interested to get some feedback on this as when to play draws agressively is a big leak in my game (me thinks).

deaders 12-08-2005 10:17 PM

Re: NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
I have also noticed that a lot of people at these levels will make weak bets relative to pot size with something like TPWK... which is what beats you here so what is the point, and a bluff isnt likely to get them to fold that right at the end when the river doesnt complete any draws in my opinion.

12-08-2005 11:58 PM

Re: NL 100 - Turn/river line check
 
I've also noticed that people at this level call on the river with the stone cold nuts.


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