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kamjah 11-27-2005 05:51 AM

Flushdraw Turns Gutshot
 
This hand isnt really anything special, but im curious as to if i played this hand right.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($51.81)
CO ($28.20)
Button ($20.57)
SB ($39.60)
Hero ($21.15)
UTG ($29.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.25, UTG calls $0.25.

Flop: ($2) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $2</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $2, UTG folds.

Turn: ($6.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, CO calls $3.

River: ($12.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $12.25

converter messed up, but the river betting isnt all that important.

Zarathustra888 11-27-2005 07:37 AM

Re: Flushdraw Turns Gutshot
 
I quite like the turn bet to get to the river cheapish. I doubt he's folding, he might raise, but if you check he could bet $5 ish thinking you're on the flush draw.

Hattifnatt 11-27-2005 09:54 AM

Re: Flushdraw Turns Gutshot
 
Fold this crappy hand preflop but I cannot blaim you very much for calling because of the odds and the hand indeed is suited [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Pot it on the flop. A bet of 0.25 will do nothing for you.

Bet a little more on the turn and give villian a chance to release the hand. I would had probably check called though.

River is a clear bet. 2/3pot-full pot or so.

kamjah 11-27-2005 07:20 PM

Re: Flushdraw Turns Gutshot
 
yeah, on the river i raised 10, and he put me all-in w/ kj offsuit

xorbie 11-27-2005 07:28 PM

Re: Flushdraw Turns Gutshot
 
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This hand isnt really anything special, but im curious as to if i played this hand right.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($51.81)
CO ($28.20)
Button ($20.57)
SB ($39.60)
Hero ($21.15)
UTG ($29.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.25, UTG calls $0.25.

Flop: ($2) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $2</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $2, UTG folds.

Turn: ($6.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, CO calls $3.

River: ($12.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $12.25

converter messed up, but the river betting isnt all that important.

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Turn bet sucks for metagame reasons.

ajmargarine 11-27-2005 07:35 PM

Re: Flushdraw Turns Gutshot
 
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Turn bet sucks for metagame reasons.

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How so? I was thinking I liked it. Like someone else mentioned, I'd rather have a $3 bet called here, then c/c $5+. Plus, if anyone noticed that you bet your draw, you may be able to get future action with made hands that you normally wouldn't get when they think 'he might be betting his draw again.'

xorbie 11-27-2005 07:43 PM

Re: Flushdraw Turns Gutshot
 
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Turn bet sucks for metagame reasons.

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How so? I was thinking I liked it. Like someone else mentioned, I'd rather have a $3 bet called here, then c/c $5+. Plus, if anyone noticed that you bet your draw, you may be able to get future action with made hands that you normally wouldn't get when they think 'he might be betting his draw again.'

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Here's the deal. Betting $3 vs. calling $5 is one thing, but it's a $2 mistake at the worst. Betting half pot whenever you have a decent draw on the turn is gonna cost you a lot more than $2 in the long run. There's no reason not to bet $5 or $6 on this turn if you are going to bet.

ajmargarine 11-27-2005 07:48 PM

Re: Flushdraw Turns Gutshot
 
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Betting half pot whenever you have a decent draw on the turn is gonna cost you a lot more than $2 in the long run. There's no reason not to bet $5 or $6 on this turn if you are going to bet.

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Meh. I wouldn't think making it your preferred normal line would be optimal. But, if you threw it in once in awhile, I can't see how it would be a bad thing. For me personally, I never do this....and I think if I did it now and then it might fit in with my style of play and have a positive EV.

xorbie 11-27-2005 07:58 PM

Re: Flushdraw Turns Gutshot
 
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Betting half pot whenever you have a decent draw on the turn is gonna cost you a lot more than $2 in the long run. There's no reason not to bet $5 or $6 on this turn if you are going to bet.

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Meh. I wouldn't think making it your preferred normal line would be optimal. But, if you threw it in once in awhile, I can't see how it would be a bad thing. For me personally, I never do this....and I think if I did it now and then it might fit in with my style of play and have a positive EV.

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Sure, so long as you bet half pot not just with a draw that has to fold if raised.


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