88 preflop question
 

all fold to hero in CO who raises with 88. SB(15/0/3.33 over 66 hands) 3-bets(so this would be first preflop raise in 66 hands) and then unknown caps in the BB. Hero...?

Re: 88 preflop question
 

You are getting 5:1 immediate odds on your call (based on SB calling the cap); you are pretty much playing for set value, so I think you have a call. Between the two players, you are probably up against some combination of overcards/bigger pairs. If you think you can make up 2.5BB postflop, then you are probably fine. I don't think I'd fold this.

Re: 88 preflop question
 

Call and pray for an 8 on the flop.

They may not have jack, thinking you're just trying to steal the blinds.

Re: 88 preflop question
 

Call and flop a set.

Or, you could call and flop quads.

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I am going to assume that at least one of the 2 (if not both) have a bigger pair than you. Therefore you need 4:1 (including implied odds) to call this. The pot is currently has 9sbs in it and it is going to cost you 2 more. We are sure that the sb is going to throw in one more. So effectively you are getting 5:1 on your call. Therefore I call and flop a set or I go bye-bye.

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I am going to assume that at least one of the 2 (if not both) have a bigger pair than you. Therefore you need 4:1 (including implied odds) to call this. The pot is currently has 9sbs in it and it is going to cost you 2 more. We are sure that the sb is going to throw in one more. So effectively you are getting 5:1 on your call. Therefore I call and flop a set or I go bye-bye.

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I believe the odds to flop a set are about 7.5:1. I think 4.5:1 is if you take the hand to river no matter what, which you won't, so use the odds for flopping it.

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I am going to assume that at least one of the 2 (if not both) have a bigger pair than you. Therefore you need 4:1 (including implied odds) to call this. The pot is currently has 9sbs in it and it is going to cost you 2 more. We are sure that the sb is going to throw in one more. So effectively you are getting 5:1 on your call. Therefore I call and flop a set or I go bye-bye.

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I believe the odds to flop a set are about 7.5:1. I think 4.5:1 is if you take the hand to river no matter what, which you won't, so use the odds for flopping it.

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These flop-a-set odds are assuming you are behind right now. I don't think you necessarily are. You say SB is a good player. How does he view you? Would he think you are trying to steal the blinds? Do you think he wouldn't defend without a pair bigger than 8's, no AK or AQ or KQs? Or less? Who knows with BB? He might sense a steal battle, decided his hand was good enough to stick around so might as well cap as let you do it.

You don't mention the limits, but if blind stealing is prudent in this game and you fold here, you can kiss off ever stealing a blind from these guys...CALL here. If no overcards come on flop and checked to me, i'm betting again, set or not.

Re: 88 preflop question
 

this is at 2/4 if that does shade peoples opinoins.

SB has good stats..im not sure if hes a good player.

Re: 88 preflop question
 

I don't think you'll find a player who 3 bets a "blind steal" and has 0 raises in almost 70 hands... he has you beat.... especially if there are two of them.....

but you have to call and fold a non 8 flop.... also watch out for any cards Q or better on the flop as they probably have you set over set.

Re: 88 preflop question
 

yeah during the hand i assumed that SB had a bigger pair than mine.

is there anyway to put a range on BB's coldcap from an unknown party 2/4 player?

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I would say QQ would be the lowest the if they are really LAG or a garden variety maniac...... AA or KK if they are anything else..... althought the "blind steal" brings up a good point...

Based on your read.. given the SB has not raised in almost 70 hands... he has to have a big pair... But I would 3 bet a lot of different hands in that situation.... AK, AQ, maybe TT+.. maybe even KQ or KJ depending on the type of player you are.....

if the BB is awake he would have at least noticed he does not raise often if ever and his raise could possibly scare you more? What are the BB's stats again?

Re: 88 preflop question
 

Floping a set is about 81/2 or so to 1 so you actually need those odds to call in this situation. At least one of these guys have a hand. SB may have raised because he thought you were stealing? What happened in the hand?

Re: 88 preflop question
 

What sort of implied odds do we need here to make a call correct--10-1 ish?

Re: 88 preflop question
 

call and fold none 8 flop.

Re: 88 preflop question
 

if you fold here you are throwing away money. you could even have them both beat. Dont forget you have position on both of them. i would call the cap and raise the flop...assuming only a bet and call in front of me. Find out where you are at....you can not just fold the flop for one bet....that is crazy.

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You are getting 5:1 immediate odds on your call (based on SB calling the cap); you are pretty much playing for set value, so I think you have a call. Between the two players, you are probably up against some combination of overcards/bigger pairs. If you think you can make up 2.5BB postflop, then you are probably fine. I don't think I'd fold this.

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Not quite, you're getting 10:2 odds, so you need to make up 5 BB post flop. I think it's doable, since you'll probably get 4 BB just on the flop.

Re: 88 preflop question
 

You're already getting 10:2 to call the cap. If you're 7.5 to 1 against flopping a set, then why do you need to make up 5 big bets postflop?

You're in position, and you'll easily be able to make that up if you flop your 8, especially if one of them can't get away from their KK or AA (likely in a blind steal situation).

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You are getting 5:1 immediate odds on your call (based on SB calling the cap); you are pretty much playing for set value, so I think you have a call. Between the two players, you are probably up against some combination of overcards/bigger pairs. If you think you can make up 2.5BB postflop, then you are probably fine. I don't think I'd fold this.

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Not quite, you're getting 10:2 odds, so you need to make up 5 BB post flop. I think it's doable, since you'll probably get 4 BB just on the flop.

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Wouldn't it be 5SB you need to make up for which would equal 2.5BB