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wdeadwyler 09-22-2005 01:18 AM

1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
My immediate reaction to SB's quick donkbet was that he was drawing and wanted to push me off my hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($50)
UTG ($48.50)
MP ($13.20)
Button ($41.90)
SB ($59.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
]2 folds</font>, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $2.5, Button calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $10, Hero???

Godfather80 09-22-2005 01:26 AM

Re: 1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($50)
UTG ($48.50)
MP ($13.20)
Button ($41.90)
SB ($59.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
]2 folds</font>, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $2.5, Button calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $10, Hero???

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This seems to me like a bet with overcard hearts. It is highly unlikely that it represents a five. With stack sizes being as they are, you can't really raise here without pushing. I don't see any real reason to fold. So, the choice seems to me to be between pushing here OR calling then pushing a non-heart/non-ace turn.

I like flat calling and pushing a non-heart/non-ace turn.

mgsimpleton 09-22-2005 06:57 AM

Re: 1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
how is getting bet full pot getting "donkbetted"? am i missing something??????????

push all in, wtf?

djshawk 09-22-2005 07:19 AM

Re: 1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
Looks like a pair smaller than your tens.

His call PF rather than raise pretty much rules out AA-JJ. I think big suited hearts would check this flop, it looks like he's worried about the flush draw.

Unless he holds 2's or 5's I think you are good and like a push.

wdeadwyler 09-22-2005 11:07 AM

Re: 1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
It is my understanding that donkbet is when you unexpectedly bet into the pfr.

Godfather80 09-22-2005 11:43 AM

Re: 1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
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Looks like a pair smaller than your tens.

His call PF rather than raise pretty much rules out AA-JJ. I think big suited hearts would check this flop, it looks like he's worried about the flush draw.

Unless he holds 2's or 5's I think you are good and like a push.

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If you think hero is good here, then why are you trying to fold out a worse hand? Do you not want to make money?

Jocke_F 09-22-2005 12:09 PM

Re: 1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
I would call and reevaluate on turn

wdeadwyler 09-22-2005 12:15 PM

Re: 1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
OK so we got some responses. It seems the two options are call or push (obviously). The pushing crowd is probably in my camp, as we don't want to give this pot to the flush draw. The call crowd includes those that want to extract from a lower pp, and maybe fold to a turn push?

IMO he has hearts. So if I put him on

10% hearts w/ 2 overs
30% hearts w/ one over
25% hearts w/ no overs
25% pocket pair (lower)
10% other (including better pp)

What is my action?

Godfather80 09-22-2005 12:28 PM

Re: 1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
OK so we got some responses. It seems the two options are call or push (obviously). The pushing crowd is probably in my camp, as we don't want to give this pot to the flush draw. The call crowd includes those that want to extract from a lower pp, and maybe fold to a turn push?

IMO he has hearts. So if I put him on

10% hearts w/ 2 overs
30% hearts w/ one over
25% hearts w/ no overs
25% pocket pair (lower)
10% other (including better pp)

What is my action?

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On further review, I retract my flat call push turn play because I don't think it get's any more calls from worse hands than pushing the flop. Just push now, if he's coming along then he's coming along; and you aren't going to fold this flop.

wdeadwyler 09-22-2005 12:42 PM

Re: 1010 raises out of bb and gets donkbetted on flop favorable flop
 
Button still acts after me, this change anyone's call revealuate or push line?


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