10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

Villain is loose, not enough hands and new to the table.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (2 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (2 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero folds.

Surf

Re: 10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

I think you can call this down. Enough straight and flush draws will semibluff this turn I believe. It's real close though...wouldn't have a problem either way.

Re: 10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

id call this down but i could be persuaded otherwise.

Re: 10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

yea I HATE these hands. I would usually call down too and I think its slightly +EV.

Re: 10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

seems like it should be a fold in theory because everyone should know that no one ever folds to screwplays, ever. and therefore they should always be for value, but lots of idiots still try to use them as bluffs (see tstones post in a diff screwplay thread [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] ). so i call it down.

Re: 10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

Yeah, I call this down too as there are plenty of semibluffing opportunities on this board.

My other reaction was to 3bet and take a free showdown to charge his draw.

-Craig

Re: 10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

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My other reaction was to 3bet and take a free showdown to charge his draw.

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I sorta like this. Also I raise preflop.

-DeathDonkey

Re: 10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

i'm in the calldown camp.

and screw charging a draw here. if he's semibluffing he usually fires on the river and charges himself. if you're beat you save bets, he can't cap or donk the river and maybe fold your better hand, or donk when he calls your 3-bet and rivers his draw and you decide to pay off... i just don't think charging him is worth it.

i'm beginning to think not "charging draws" often is one of the things i do that keeps my AF lower than other TAGs that seems to be working for me. of course i don't actually know this. i just get the feeling a lot of people do this a lot more than might be necessary. but again this is just speculation on my part...

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Re: 10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

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My other reaction was to 3bet and take a free showdown to charge his draw.

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I sorta like this. Also I raise preflop.

-DeathDonkey

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Good to know...when I make plays like this that don't work, it makes me feel like I'm one of the monkeys...

Re: 10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o
 

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and screw charging a draw here. if he's semibluffing he usually fires on the river and charges himself. if you're beat you save bets, he can't cap or donk the river and maybe fold your better hand, or donk when he calls your 3-bet and rivers his draw and you decide to pay off... i just don't think charging him is worth it.

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This seems like good advice. Now that I think about it, I don't really like 3betting the turn after all.