KK correct?
 

500 max buy 5-10 blinds, good game. im big stack with about $3000, no one else is close. 6 or 7 handed, i have KK utg and limp, next guy limps, next guy who has been raising a lot makes it $40, button who is a fish cold calls, sb and bb fold, i make it $300 straight, only preflop raiser calls. he auto-calls. he has $700 left.

the flop is QJ9 rainbow. i put him all in.

nothing else i can do right?

Re: KK correct?
 

I'd just make your standard open pre-flop.

Re: KK correct?
 

I dont like it at all...

Re: KK correct?
 

Tough spot, but he has KK/AQ/AK/TT often enough here to make it the only thing you can do.

Re: KK correct?
 

> nothing else i can do right?

A few observations:

- Your preflop reraise was really big.

- I think post-flop play is entirely player dependent. Against any decent player, you're beaten.

- You play with an unusually big stack for a limit player starting a new game.

Re: KK correct?
 

I'd agree with most of these as well. The last one isn't his fault though...He seems to be doing that thing called winning if he has a 3k stack in a $500 max buyin game.

Rather just use the std open here w/KK as well.

Re: KK correct?
 

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Tough spot, but he has KK/AQ/AK/TT often enough here to make it the only thing you can do.

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AQ/TT and prob. AK are hitting the muck...

Only hand I see him beating is AK(and just calling to see a flop for 300 is terrible) and maybe split if he has KK. Looks like QQ though and he just cant fold it preflop, most likely AA.

Re: KK correct?
 

"I'd just make your standard open pre-flop."

a couple things:

i had been open raising almost nothing in this game for a variety of reasons. mainly because it was a really loose limpy game.

i felt there was too much value in letting the guy who raising 70% plus preflop raise for me and then pounce.

oh one more thing: the pot was reraised preflop about 2-3 times in about 4-5 hours. so i couldnt count on anyone else repopping preflop.

some questions
 

"You play with an unusually big stack for a limit player starting a new game."

i was winning. it's a 500 max buy in.

"Against any decent player, you're beaten."

for one thing he's not decent, just to clarify. for another i realised i was probably beaten but had 6 outs.

6 outs twice + some chance my hand is good + no way i want to let him bet some whack hand he thinks is best that's not and make me fold = seemed like a bet all in to me.

if i check, do i fold to a $700 bet? to a $400 bet? what?

Re: some questions
 

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"You play with an unusually big stack for a limit player starting a new game."

i was winning. it's a 500 max buy in.

"Against any decent player, you're beaten."

for one thing he's not decent, just to clarify. for another i realised i was probably beaten but had 6 outs.

6 outs twice + some chance my hand is good + no way i want to let him bet some whack hand he thinks is best that's not and make me fold = seemed like a bet all in to me.

if i check, do i fold to a $700 bet? to a $400 bet? what?

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mike, every part of your thought process concerning the hand is good except one. (the bold part) ML4L (the other mike) wrote a post a few months ago detailing someone who was afraid to check (and therby give up the pot) on the turn, and...

well...

Just because you check and let someone bet doesnt mean you have to fold! In fact, if you are going to play this hand to the end, (which I think is fine, given how much went in preflop + chance your read is off [of being behind]) you SHOULD check and let any worse hands bet. If you are going to lose to everything that can beat KK, let the hands that have no chance or a weak-ish draw etc. (underpairs, whatever) lead out or bluff at the pot. It's a little extra EV.