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young people like myself (im 19) have better things to do for entertainment

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I have better things to do for entertainment also but since I have kids to support and my job is good but not great some of my poker income allows my wife and I to do things we would not otherwise be able to afford. This is why I deal for 6 to 10 hours and come home and play another 4 to 6 at least 5 days a week. I think of it as a second job. A second job that I really enjoy but a job none the less. I live in the midwest and their are a lot of farmers that work in the casino so they can have some extra money especially in the bad years. I look at my poker playing as the same thing at this time. I hope someday I can support my wife I on poker playing alone but at this time it is a second income.

Maybe this perspective can help refute that point, but I think what it will really take is time. Preconceived notions that are backed up by experience take time to change.

Re: Ugh, the mom and her hatred towards casinos -- please help
 

Why don't you just drop the casino trips and play solely on the internet? Seems like that would reduce a lot of the friction.

You gain a lot more EV from getting more hands and multitabling online than from the looseness of any one casino table anyway.

Re: Ugh, the mom and her hatred towards casinos -- please help
 

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# young people like myself (im 19) have better things to do for entertainment
# casinos are detrimental for society, so i shouldnt be there

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Two excellent points. I'd like to see you refute them.

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Casinos aren't really any more detrimental to society than bars or danceclubs or restaurants. (note: many casinos have those 3 and more) Or other 'entertainment' venues.

However, Point 1 is dead on.

I wouldn't go to GA. You're rolling the dice there that you won't get a militant GA member that thinks everything even remotely related to a casino is gambling.

She's your mom. She's going to be worried no matter what. Comes with the territory. I'd wonder what's wrong with her if she didn't worry. You want to really make an impression, since you're a 'pro' and all, move out and support yourself with it. There's no arguing success. The more she sees you succeed, 'on your own', the better. Even then she'll still worry. She's your mom. That's what mom's do.

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Yeah, casinos are detrimental to society. Right. All those jobs created are just HORRIBLE thing to have. Why, those blackjack dealers would be better off on welfare! Not to mention that casinos fuel those evil hotel and restaurant industries. How dare they charge people for food and a place to sleep?

I'm glad my mother isn't a douchebag like yours.

Re: Ugh, the mom and her hatred towards casinos -- please help
 

Try to get her to agree to disagree with you on this issue.

Re: Ugh, the mom and her hatred towards casinos -- please help
 

The general principle is: if you have to lie about what you are doing, you shouldn't do it.

You are at a point in your life where you have the energy and temperament to do what you want, but not the resources. You are living off your parents, you are benefitting from their largesse, so you must consider their wishes before commencing with a course of action.

If you're mom doesn't want you in the casino you either go and lie, or refrain and stay honest. Honesty works best and feels best so I would avoid live play in casinos for now.

There will be plenty of time for that when you are no longer a mooch.

Ultimately, you have to take a stand with your mom and tell her that you are a full grown adult and will make your own decisions, including the decision to gamble. You also have to internalize the principle that you do NOT need your parents approval to pursue a personal goal that makes sense to you. A functioning adult owes no explanations and needs no approvals.

However, you are not there yet; you are a dependent. That dependency creates expectations and you DO have to live up to them. The expectations are a cost of the dependency. You are also getting a tremendous benefit in return. Do you realize how many tens of thousands per year it costs to keep you around each year? You have to give action to get action.

Final decision: Do not go the casino right now if it creates a problem with your mom. If you are strong enough to be a winning poker player, you're strong enough to deny yourself a small amount of personal pleasure so that you can live your life honestly.

I would also explain to your mom that you have made this decision and tell her why. She might be easier to convince later if she sees that you a strong and principled person.

Personal example: When I was 21 I decided to become a professional horseplayer. Guess who staked me. That's right: Mom. I convinced her that I was not a gambler and that I had a realistic chance to make a lot of money. I did it for an entire summer and ultimately lost the $1,000 she gave me. I realized that playing horses is a losing proposition for all but the most talented and dedicated hanndicappers. The rake (17%) was just too high for me to overcome. At the end of that summer I stopped playing horses and moved on to other things. My mom is gone now, but I'll never forget the gamble she took by staking me.

That would not have happened if I was a liar who snuck off to the track and she found out about it by accident.

Do it honestly or don't do it at all.

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Why don't you just play online and forget about B&M for a few years until you move out? Online is way more profitable anyways, and if you want entertainment go out with friends somewhere. You're 19 years old...two years of your life not at a casino isn't such a bad thing.

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Casinos aren't really any more detrimental to society than bars or danceclubs or restaurants. (note: many casinos have those 3 and more) Or other 'entertainment' venues.


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Sure they are. C'mon.

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Casinos aren't really any more detrimental to society than bars or danceclubs or restaurants. (note: many casinos have those 3 and more) Or other 'entertainment' venues.


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Sure they are. C'mon.

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I forgot the hookers.

But on 2nd thought, they're also entertainment. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Re: Ugh, the mom and her hatred towards casinos -- please help
 

I read all the replies. The second page seems to be all about sticking to online play, which seems like the right course of action. It's not that I'm missing out on "casion action", it's more me not being able to play live, because I like playing live. I know multitabling NLHE tables is supposed to be more profitable, but with the action at the live tables it's estimated one could make $20/hr. I can't see myself making $20/hr multitabling the $25 NLHE on party. sandsmarc your points are really good, and I'll remember them. I can't do a thing as long I still live with her.

All said, she said she wouldn't mind me playing in a few tournaments a year so maybe I'll go back eventually.

And I'm not considering going to GA anymore as it seems like alot of trouble.