It\'s 3rd and 10...
 

...you're down by 17.

Ok. Going for it there=awesome (somewhat obvious) call.

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Field position and time remaining matter, obviously, but I run the screen so I can get a manageable down and distance on 4th down. Either way, the average NFL pass completion gets 7 yards, so two straight up passes don't figure to do it for us.

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It depends on the defense. If you are facing a heavy blitzing team like the Eagles on 3rd down, it has a higher % of being correct. Honestly, I think a QB draw would work better at times. But yea, in general it's a bad move. I should know, Dan Reeves was famous for doing this when he was in charge of the Giants.

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Ummmm...need a lot more info.

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This thread is basically worthless and irrelevant now.

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CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Vick 9/23 82 0 2

Man, Mike Vick is unstoppable. This team can't be beat with him at QB. I can't believe the line was only -8.5! What a bargain that would've been.

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CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Vick 9/23 82 0 2

Man, Mike Vick is unstoppable. This team can't be beat with him at QB. I can't believe the line was only -8.5! What a bargain that would've been.

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Unstoppable huh? I guess 3 INT's just don't mean what they used to. Or maybe it was b/c the Jets fail to capitalize?

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CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Vick 9/23 82 0 2

Man, Mike Vick is unstoppable. This team can't be beat with him at QB. I can't believe the line was only -8.5! What a bargain that would've been.

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You can't just forget the running game when you're talking about Vick. That's just unfair, you can't just take someone's failures and not count the good stuff. 9 carries for 18 yards, what other QB gives you that double threat?

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CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Vick 9/23 82 0 2

Man, Mike Vick is unstoppable. This team can't be beat with him at QB. I can't believe the line was only -8.5! What a bargain that would've been.

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he may not put up the pretty passing stats but he is a winner! the falcons win with him playing and loose when he is not. i [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] michael vick

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CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Vick 9/23 82 0 2

Man, Mike Vick is unstoppable. This team can't be beat with him at QB. I can't believe the line was only -8.5! What a bargain that would've been.

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You can't just forget the running game when you're talking about Vick. That's just unfair, you can't just take someone's failures and not count the good stuff. 9 carries for 18 yards, what other QB gives you that double threat?

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David Carr is not impressed.

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CP/AT YDS TD INT
M. Vick 9/23 82 0 2

Man, Mike Vick is unstoppable. This team can't be beat with him at QB. I can't believe the line was only -8.5! What a bargain that would've been.

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You can't just forget the running game when you're talking about Vick. That's just unfair, you can't just take someone's failures and not count the good stuff. 9 carries for 18 yards, what other QB gives you that double threat?

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David Carr is not impressed.

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Uh, are you serious? Houston lost by almost 20 points. Vick pulled out a tough win against one of last year's playoff teams. Carr's team got blown out. Vick just gets it done. With only 9 carries he opened up the field so Dunn could pick up 155 yards on 24 carries. No other QB helps the other rushers out so much. Double threat! No one knows how to defend it!

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Uh, are you serious? Houston lost by almost 20 points. Vick pulled out a tough win against one of last year's playoff teams. Carr's team got blown out. Vick just gets it done. With only 9 carries he opened up the field so Dunn could pick up 155 yards on 24 carries. No other QB helps the other rushers out so much. Double threat! No one knows how to defend it!

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You forgot to mention "improvisation". You can't do it really well without this word.

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Also say something like "I think the Falcons can win the Super Bowl even if Vick goes 8-22 with no TDs or whatever" as if it's a compliment. And not mention their defense.

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There's no way someone can say "I think the Falcons can win the Super Bowl even if Vick goes 8-22 with no TDs or whatever" as if it's a compliment.

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FYP.

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Uh, are you serious? Houston lost by almost 20 points. Vick pulled out a tough win against one of last year's playoff teams. Carr's team got blown out. Vick just gets it done. With only 9 carries he opened up the field so Dunn could pick up 155 yards on 24 carries. No other QB helps the other rushers out so much. Double threat! No one knows how to defend it!

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You forgot to mention "improvisation". You can't do it really well without this word.

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Also say something like "I think the Falcons can win the Super Bowl because Vick goes 8-22 with no TDs or whatever" as if it's a compliment. And not mention their defense.

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The key point about Vick is what he does for the running game. With all of the bootlegs and rollouts the Falcons do he freezes outside linebackers. Defensive ends and the Linebacker on that side have to stay at home in case Vick comes out with the ball. So basically Dunn or Duckett is running with all of the players in front of them blocked. And all of the cutback lanes they want. This is a pretty good situation for a running back.

The guy is horribly inacurate and will never be a good passer. Matt Shaub runs the offense better. But just because they pass more efficently does not mean they will win more games. This team relies on the run and the run is so effective because of Michael Vick.

So if your looking for fantasy numbers you want Matt Shaub. You want to win games you want Michael Vick.