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QTip 12-15-2005 07:51 PM

Re: AK turn decision
 
[Quote]I fold the turn. You don't know where you are in the hand, but can be pretty sure you're drawing. If you actually have six outs here your 7:1 in a 8BB pot. Barely a +EV situation. [Quote/]

It looks like a great time to play the game to me.

I like the raise.

damaniac 12-15-2005 08:20 PM

Re: AK turn decision
 
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Barely a +EV situation.

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Why would you ever fold if this is the case?

Carmine 12-15-2005 08:27 PM

Re: AK turn decision
 
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Barely a +EV situation.

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Why would you ever fold if this is the case?

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Because that is best case scenario. You could easily be up against a hand like AT/AQ/KQ.

damaniac 12-15-2005 08:32 PM

Re: AK turn decision
 
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Barely a +EV situation.

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Why would you ever fold if this is the case?

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Because that is best case scenario. You could easily be up against a hand like AT/AQ/KQ.

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So then the situation isn't +EV.

Edit: And against those hands you still have 6/7 outs. Which is what you described as a best-case scenario.

Carmine 12-15-2005 08:45 PM

Re: AK turn decision
 
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Barely a +EV situation.

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Why would you ever fold if this is the case?

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Because that is best case scenario. You could easily be up against a hand like AT/AQ/KQ.

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So then the situation isn't +EV.

Edit: And against those hands you still have 6/7 outs. Which is what you described as a best-case scenario.

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That's what I'm saying. We are just +EV IF we have 6 outs. We could easily have only 3 or a slim chance we are drawing dead against CO's A6. How do we have 6-7 outs against AT/AQ/KQ??

12-15-2005 11:43 PM

Re: AK turn decision
 
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That's what I'm saying. We are just +EV IF we have 6 outs. We could easily have only 3 or a slim chance we are drawing dead against CO's A6. How do we have 6-7 outs against AT/AQ/KQ??

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If you think CO's stats imply that he is capable of Cold Calling with A6 then his range here is huge and putting him on a Q or 6 is giving him way too much credit. We have every reason to believe that we should be able to move the SB off of his hand, and the CO hasnt shown us anything except a lot of calling. He could have a medium pair or an unpaired ace among other things.

12-16-2005 08:55 AM

Re: AK turn decision
 
IMO. There is no joy to come from continuing in this hand.


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