Should EVERYBODY be given a fair process?
 

Just curious: What do you think. Should EVERYBODY be given human rights, such as a fair lawsuit? Think about the likes of Hitler, Stalin, ... Should there be a difference between "normal" criminals and people who, without a doubt, commited genocide or mass murder? What if there were VERY little doubts (e.g. Bin Laden)? Do you think it´s important for society that everybody is within the right?

Martin Aigner

Re: Should EVERYBODY be given a fair process?
 

If this is reference to our other thread, I don't think fair process is at issue, but rather severity of punishment.

Milosevic can have a fair trial, and they be shot when he's found guilty by the mountain of evidence.

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Yes, fair trial for everyone. Unless, we end up like the people we are fighting and we turn our society into a copy of theirs. Our grandchildren are safer if we don't.

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Due process for all. Anything else leads to a very slippery slope.

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Look at the ridiculousness going on in the Hussein trial. They should have shot the rat in his nest.

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Should EVERYBODY be given a fair process?

No. Republicans should be shot on sight.

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Loss of liberty never begins with something happening to a good person. It always strats with a scumbag being denied rights. Everybody says "who cares, he's a scumbag." Eventually, the definition of scumbag gets expanded.

That's why scumbags deserve defense attorneys.

Re: Should EVERYBODY be given a fair process?
 

Those people you mentioned were/are entitled to a fair trial followed by a first class hanging (or lynching in the case of an innocent verdict).

Re: Should EVERYBODY be given a fair process?
 

You need to brush up on your legal terminology, or just give your post a once-over after you write it (human rights? fair lawsuit?).

Anywho...

In some situations, an individual should be outright killed without any attempt for apprehension or a fair trial...

...unless you think GWB should call up the Rangers, SEALS, and Force Recon and tell them to set their phasers on stun while hunting Osama.

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Should EVERYBODY be given a fair process?

No. Republicans should be shot on sight.

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The US Constitution and the rights it details are applicable ONLY TO US CITIZENS.

A non-US citizen has NO constitutional rights.

They however have the rights defined in various treaties the US has signed (human rights treaties, Geneva convention, etc.)

Not exactly what you asked, but wanted to throw that out there.

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The US Constitution and the rights it details are applicable ONLY TO US CITIZENS.
A non-US citizen has NO constitutional rights.

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Where does the Constitution say that? We know that the text of the Constitution understands the difference between a citizen and a non-citizen because it uses the term Citizen...why then would it use the more broad term "person" (or people) when stating rights? If it was meant to only apply to citizens the framers would have said "citizens" instead of person.

The 14th Amendment (just as an example) uses both citizen and person -- those terms then, obviously, have a different meaning to the framers. Consider this language: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..." The second clause would have read "nor shall any State deprive any citizen..." if that's what was meant. Clearly it meant to be more broad than just applying to citizens, in fact it applies to "any person."

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Loss of liberty never begins with something happening to a good person. It always strats with a scumbag being denied rights. Everybody says "who cares, he's a scumbag." Eventually, the definition of scumbag gets expanded.

That's why scumbags deserve defense attorneys.

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Exactly...The process and the integrity of the legal systems is the most important part. Defense lawyers are the needed back pressure to preserve the integrity of the legal process.

You must extend rights within the US no matter what the cost.

-Gryph