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mscags 12-06-2005 12:45 AM

QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
Villian that raised is 35/3 over only about 70 hands. Not much besides that. No one seems spectacular by any means, but no one has done anything that has made them stand out as awful.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

What your plan?

hobbsmann 12-06-2005 12:48 AM

Re: QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
I'm probably check/folding this on the turn unless I spike a Q or pick up a gutshot. Since the CO's flop raise didn't chase out button or BB it seems very likely somebody has a K and your QQ is good very rarely.

12-06-2005 02:01 AM

Re: QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
Given the combination of a drawless K-high board and the villian's passive tendencies, I think folding to the flop CR is best here (unless you have a solid read on him to suggest otherwise, of course).

wackjob 12-06-2005 02:35 AM

Re: QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
i'll go for a fold.

DeadMoneyOC 12-06-2005 02:40 AM

Re: QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
Andy B always gave me excellent advice in situations like this that I will now pash on to you. Spike a Q dude.

12-06-2005 03:11 AM

Re: QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
The default is to call down. Do you have an AF for the villain? How much does BB chase? How aggressive is BB? I'd have a ton of trouble finding a fold here. Folding is bad. Showdown's where the money's at.

hobbsmann 12-06-2005 03:24 AM

Re: QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
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The default is to call down. Do you have an AF for the villain? How much does BB chase? How aggressive is BB? I'd have a ton of trouble finding a fold here. Folding is bad. Showdown's where the money's at.

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I'd agree if the pot was HU or maybe a cold call by one monkey, but when both the button and BB cold call AND since we are dealing with a fairly dry board I think a call down is bad.

In response to another poster I think peeling the flop is thin, but with ~3ish outs and implied odds I think seeing a turn is fine.

12-06-2005 04:20 AM

Re: QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
Trust me, it's not.

Kimpan 12-06-2005 08:35 AM

Re: QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
I think I either fold flop or take one to the turn..

ArturiusX 12-06-2005 08:53 AM

Re: QQ with a bunch of flop callers...
 
This wasn't a check-raise.

I say call down, although its not a big difference either way. Most players in this pot are drawing near dead which will pad the pot nicely for times when he has a K, or A9, or TT.


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