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Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
Your flop and turn aggression are ridiculously high - you do have a Check button and a Call button on your version of Party right?
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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Your flop and turn aggression are ridiculously high - you do have a Check button and a Call button on your version of Party right? [/ QUOTE ] I believe checking is unrelated to AF. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
Heh. Maybe not, but replacing your check button with a bet button would make a difference no...
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
You're costing yourself a lot of money by not calling more on the flop and turn. You need to go to SD more. You're folding to much to a river bet. You need to check more after a PFR. You also need to raise more PF
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
Fit or fold poker is a good way to be a loser at SH.
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
The way I see it, if I'm in early position and I plan on calling a bet (say with middle or sometimes bottom pair), I might as well lead out myself if I'm in early position. I would only check/call in early position on certain draws.
If for example I'm heads-up in late position, calling the flop generally results in being bet into on the turn and river, costing 2.5B for a showdown. If I raise the flop with top/mid pair or a draw, I can take the lead 90% of the time on the turn and bet, or check to continue drawing for cheap. To raise flop / check turn with a draw, I see the river card for 1 bet plus I get fold equity on the flop. Being raised on the flop, my opponent might not even bet the river, giving me a showdown for 1 bet! To call/call/call, it costs me 2.5 Bets for a showdown and there is no chance my opponent will fold. What situations exactly should I be calling in ? |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
I agree with leader, winning 57% of showdowns is to high of a number. I think you are folding too much on the river.
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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The way I see it, if I'm in early position and I plan on calling a bet (say with middle or sometimes bottom pair), I might as well lead out myself if I'm in early position. I would only check/call in early position on certain draws. If for example I'm heads-up in late position, calling the flop generally results in being bet into on the turn and river, costing 2.5B for a showdown. If I raise the flop with top/mid pair or a draw, I can take the lead 90% of the time on the turn and bet, or check to continue drawing for cheap. To raise flop / check turn with a draw, I see the river card for 1 bet plus I get fold equity on the flop. Being raised on the flop, my opponent might not even bet the river, giving me a showdown for 1 bet! To call/call/call, it costs me 2.5 Bets for a showdown and there is no chance my opponent will fold. What situations exactly should I be calling in ? [/ QUOTE ] You need to post hands. Your logic works in some cases and doesn't in others. Calling is often the optimal strategy with semi strong hands against aggressive opponents. Not pushing people off their bluffs on the flop and the turn is a big money maker in SH. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
you are WAY too aggressive on all of the streets.
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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I agree with leader, winning 57% of showdowns is to high of a number. I think you are folding too much on the river. [/ QUOTE ] I think 57% W$SD is on the high side also. And his WTSD is 31%. I think thats on the low side. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
example.. too aggressive ??
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds. Final Pot: 4 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> No showdown. Hero wins 4 BB. </font> |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
pure aggression again
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Turn: (4.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. River: (6.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Final Pot: 8.16 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has 5c As (one pair, tens). Hero has Js Qs (two pair, queens and tens). Outcome: Hero wins 8.16 BB. </font> |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
not like I had a chance to call here... but too aggressive?
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. River: (5.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 5.16 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has Ts Td (one pair, tens). Hero has As 8h (one pair, eights). Outcome: BB wins 5.16 BB. </font> |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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example.. too aggressive ?? Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds. Final Pot: 4 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> No showdown. Hero wins 4 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] The turn's read dependent but it's probably fine against most. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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pure aggression again Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Turn: (4.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. River: (6.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Final Pot: 8.16 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has 5c As (one pair, tens). Hero has Js Qs (two pair, queens and tens). Outcome: Hero wins 8.16 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] Since you're hand is so dependent on what the turn card is, I'd probably call the flop and raise a non [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] turn. I think this is a pretty easy PFR too. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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not like I had a chance to call here... but too aggressive? Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. River: (5.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 5.16 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has Ts Td (one pair, tens). Hero has As 8h (one pair, eights). Outcome: BB wins 5.16 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] Turn seems very close and really dependent on a read. If he's not a chronic flop peeler, I'd check the turn and fold UI. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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You're costing yourself a lot of money by not calling more on the flop and turn. You need to go to SD more. You're folding to much to a river bet. You need to check more after a PFR. You also need to raise more PF [/ QUOTE ] You're right. I never noticed I fold to 44% river bets... absurd. When I check after a PFR, I feel like I'm passing up a profitable opportunity to steal the pot on the flop. Heads-up after raising on the flop, there are 4-5 small bets in the pot. Assume I will always bet the flop after a PFR. If I hit the flop, great. But if I miss the flop, I will still profit if my opponent folds to my small bet over 20-25% of the time - and even when I miss the flop, I will often still be ahead anyways with Ace high! So, if the following conditions are both true 25% of the time, a. I miss the flop b. My opponent folds to my flop bet, then I profit, no? |
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pure aggression again Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Turn: (4.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. River: (6.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Final Pot: 8.16 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has 5c As (one pair, tens). Hero has Js Qs (two pair, queens and tens). Outcome: Hero wins 8.16 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] Openlimping isn't a great thing to be doing. Raise this preflop. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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When I check after a PFR, I feel like I'm passing up a profitable opportunity to steal the pot on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] The vast majority of the time you're absolutely current, but there are times, at least twice as many as you're recognizing now, that aren't profitable spots. For example, if there are 3 or more opponents and you have missed the flop, you should generally check. When there are 2 opponents you should generally bet, but watch out for flops that are both draw heavy and likely to have hit you're opponents especially OOP. HU a autobet is almost always correct. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
Your position stats would be interesting. Like everyone said.. waaayyy too aggro every street.
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
you have checked the flop 48 out of 1,688 times you've raised preflop. i don't have my stats available, but this seems absolutely crazy.
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
My check after pfr is 10%, and thinking about it that seems high
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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pure aggression again Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. [/ QUOTE ] Raise it up pf. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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[ QUOTE ] Your flop and turn aggression are ridiculously high - you do have a Check button and a Call button on your version of Party right? [/ QUOTE ] I believe checking is unrelated to AF. [/ QUOTE ] You're wrong. It is. Notice there is a check column in the aggression stats. As there is also a fold column. Your agg stats are crazy. Your posted hands aren't good examples. Have a look through your AK hands that went to the flop against 3+ opponents and completely missed and see what you did. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Your flop and turn aggression are ridiculously high - you do have a Check button and a Call button on your version of Party right? [/ QUOTE ] I believe checking is unrelated to AF. [/ QUOTE ] You're wrong. It is. Notice there is a check column in the aggression stats. As there is also a fold column. Your agg stats are crazy. Your posted hands aren't good examples. Have a look through your AK hands that went to the flop against 3+ opponents and completely missed and see what you did. [/ QUOTE ] I will check my AK hands. What kind of hands should I post, multiway pots I'm guessing? I'll dig some up. Actually I am right about AF calculations. Check your PT - "Aggression factor is calculated as (Raise% + Bet%) / Call%" which simply means that I am aggressive 4 or 5 times more often than I am calling. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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pure aggression again Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Turn: (4.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. River: (6.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Final Pot: 8.16 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has 5c As (one pair, tens). Hero has Js Qs (two pair, queens and tens). Outcome: Hero wins 8.16 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] I should have mentioned that this was a weak-loose table and I expected more limpers. Regardless, you guys advocate open-raising QJs under the gun? |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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Looking back, I shouldve checked the turn and maybe even the flop.. Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. Turn: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. River: (7.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks. Final Pot: 7.50 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has As Ks (high card, ace). BB has 4d Ah (one pair, fours). UTG has Th Qh (one pair, tens). Outcome: UTG wins 7.50 BB. </font> |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
CO is 30/20, and it should be noted that I caught him open-raising in the CO with J5s, so I knew he was prone to stealing with terrible hands....
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (8.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (5.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 9.16 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has As 5d (one pair, fives). CO has Ah Ks (one pair, kings). Outcome: CO wins 9.16 BB. </font> |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
1 - You're probably running hot.
2 - Your aggression is ridiculous. Sometimes you win the most by calling down. Other than that, looks pretty solid to me. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
I typically bet the flop, then check the turn when they both call the flop.
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
Admittedly I am running quite hot. If my posted hands are not good examples, please give me an example or two of where you called down instead of raising with what you thought was the best hand.
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Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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CO is 30/20, and it should be noted that I caught him open-raising in the CO with J5s, so I knew he was prone to stealing with terrible hands.... Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (8.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (5.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 9.16 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has As 5d (one pair, fives). CO has Ah Ks (one pair, kings). Outcome: CO wins 9.16 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] I would call PF and CR this flop. The way you played it I would just c/f the flop. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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HAND EXAMPLE Looking back, I shouldve checked the turn and maybe even the flop.. Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. Turn: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls. River: (7.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks. Final Pot: 7.50 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero has As Ks (high card, ace). BB has 4d Ah (one pair, fours). UTG has Th Qh (one pair, tens). Outcome: UTG wins 7.50 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] I would check the turn. That 8 is a crappy card. A lot of str8 draws hit or hit a pair. I would fold the river if one of them bet. |
Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
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Admittedly I am running quite hot. If my posted hands are not good examples, please give me an example or two of where you called down instead of raising with what you thought was the best hand. [/ QUOTE ] |
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