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TomBrooks 12-24-2005 07:37 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
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I agree with leader, winning 57% of showdowns is to high of a number. I think you are folding too much on the river.

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I think 57% W$SD is on the high side also. And his WTSD is 31%. I think thats on the low side.

raze 12-24-2005 07:52 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
example.. too aggressive ??

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. Hero wins 4 BB. </font>

raze 12-24-2005 07:54 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
pure aggression again
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 5c As (one pair, tens).
Hero has Js Qs (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.16 BB. </font>

raze 12-24-2005 07:58 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
not like I had a chance to call here... but too aggressive?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ts Td (one pair, tens).
Hero has As 8h (one pair, eights).
Outcome: BB wins 5.16 BB. </font>

imported_leader 12-24-2005 08:01 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
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example.. too aggressive ??

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. Hero wins 4 BB. </font>

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The turn's read dependent but it's probably fine against most.

imported_leader 12-24-2005 08:05 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
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pure aggression again
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 5c As (one pair, tens).
Hero has Js Qs (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.16 BB. </font>

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Since you're hand is so dependent on what the turn card is, I'd probably call the flop and raise a non [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] turn. I think this is a pretty easy PFR too.

imported_leader 12-24-2005 08:08 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
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not like I had a chance to call here... but too aggressive?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ts Td (one pair, tens).
Hero has As 8h (one pair, eights).
Outcome: BB wins 5.16 BB. </font>

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Turn seems very close and really dependent on a read. If he's not a chronic flop peeler, I'd check the turn and fold UI.

raze 12-24-2005 08:15 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
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You're costing yourself a lot of money by not calling more on the flop and turn. You need to go to SD more. You're folding to much to a river bet. You need to check more after a PFR. You also need to raise more PF

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You're right. I never noticed I fold to 44% river bets... absurd.

When I check after a PFR, I feel like I'm passing up a profitable opportunity to steal the pot on the flop.

Heads-up after raising on the flop, there are 4-5 small bets in the pot. Assume I will always bet the flop after a PFR. If I hit the flop, great. But if I miss the flop, I will still profit if my opponent folds to my small bet over 20-25% of the time - and even when I miss the flop, I will often still be ahead anyways with Ace high!
So, if the following conditions are both true 25% of the time,
a. I miss the flop
b. My opponent folds to my flop bet,
then I profit, no?

SUfan5 12-24-2005 08:22 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
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pure aggression again
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 5c As (one pair, tens).
Hero has Js Qs (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.16 BB. </font>

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Openlimping isn't a great thing to be doing. Raise this preflop.

imported_leader 12-24-2005 08:28 PM

Re: Analyze my stats - 11k @ $3/6 6max
 
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When I check after a PFR, I feel like I'm passing up a profitable opportunity to steal the pot on the flop.

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The vast majority of the time you're absolutely current, but there are times, at least twice as many as you're recognizing now, that aren't profitable spots. For example, if there are 3 or more opponents and you have missed the flop, you should generally check. When there are 2 opponents you should generally bet, but watch out for flops that are both draw heavy and likely to have hit you're opponents especially OOP. HU a autobet is almost always correct.


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